Oh, Reel Original! - S1E2 - Reviving An 80s Action Franchise with John Yost

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode two of oh, Real Original. I'm Corey Dempsey. [00:00:14] Speaker C: And I'm Andrew Beam. O'Reill Original is a podcast where we explore the phenomenon of twin films. Two movies with nearly identical premises released within the same 12 month period. [00:00:24] Speaker B: That's right. We're going to be exploring these movies through the lens of a fight. Boxing, mma, whatever your violent sport of choice is. Two movies will enter the ring, but only one can emerge victorious. There will be no ties here, and [00:00:37] Speaker C: there will be five rounds in this fight and the judges will score each round out of 10. So the first round of the fight will be an analysis of the talent involved with each film. And we'll discuss the directors, the actors, the writers, and ultimately decide on which film had the better credit sheet. [00:00:53] Speaker B: In the next four rounds, we'll hone in on some similar plot points or storytelling tropes in each movie and do a deep dive into those scenes to decide which film was superior in its execution. After all five rounds have been completed, we'll tally up our scorecards and declare a winner. [00:01:10] Speaker C: Yeah. In our previous episode, we covered two movies about hooking up without catching feelings, which that was no Strings Attached and Friends with Benefits. And just like in that episode, we are joined by a special guest judge here to help us declare the superior movie this week. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Our special guest judge is the co founder of the APV Film Collective. [00:01:30] Speaker A: You did great. [00:01:32] Speaker C: Good landing. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Albany filmmaker John Yost. John, how are you doing? [00:01:36] Speaker A: Great, man. Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it. I'm actually learning what the show's about by reading your script. [00:01:40] Speaker C: No, I think actually it says here it says special guest judge and you were supposed to say, hi, how are you doing? Happy to be here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no, I think I got close. I didn't. I could take that again. [00:01:53] Speaker B: You're right there. [00:01:53] Speaker C: Stuck the landing on corner. Corey, great job. Yeah, you know, we got through. We got through it. [00:01:58] Speaker B: We got through it. So anyway, all right, now that all that's out of the way, let's get to the introduction of these two movies. Pulling double duty is our guest or our judge, Andrew Beam, but he's also going to be our ring announcer. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Oh. [00:02:12] Speaker B: To announce these two movies. [00:02:14] Speaker C: So I'm gonna. I'm gonna raise this guy. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:02:16] Speaker C: You gotta stand for this. I don't know. All right. Oh, no, man, you gotta get. [00:02:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just lube the pipes, bro. [00:02:27] Speaker C: Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the only event of the evening sanctioned by absolutely no one. Our three judges scoring the contest this evening are Corey Dempsey, Andrew Beam and John Yost. There is no referee because. [00:02:49] Speaker A: No. And [00:02:52] Speaker C: now for those in attendance and the one or two people listening around the capital region, ladies and gentlemen, this is the moment you've all been waiting for live, but not really at all because it's being recorded at the Jive 5 somewhere in Albany. It's time five rounds for the best movie where an old dude revives an action film franchise from the 80s and makes it all about the US Mexican border. Introducing first, Sly Stallone is back as John Rambo. And he has tunnels. And they're a Rambo last, bud. Screw that part. We're good. And their opponent, Arnold Schwarzenegger is back as T800 or Carl. And Linda Hamilton returns as Sarah Connor in a Terminator film that decides to ignore its three predecessors. And Terminator Dark Fate. [00:03:55] Speaker B: Great job. [00:03:56] Speaker C: Love it. What? [00:04:00] Speaker B: That's right, everybody. We're going to be discussing Rainbow Last Blood and Terminator Dark Fate. And without further ado, let's get this fight started. All right, in round one, we're going to discuss the talent. Before we get into the talent though, some notable statistics and numbers about these two movies. Dark Fate was released November 1, 2019 by Paramount Pictures. It's the sixth movie in the Terminator franchise. Terminator and Terminator 2 are both incredible, absolute classics. This movie serves as a direct sequel to those two. It ignores everything from Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation and Terminator Genesis. Probably a wise choice. Produced on a budget of somewhere between 180 and a 200 million dollars and it made 261 point million one million at the international box office. James Cameron did serve as a producer on this movie. This franchise as a whole has made over $2 billion across the six movies. Rambo, Last Blood was released September 20, 2019 by Lionsgate. It's the fifth movie in the Rambo franchise. First Blood is absolutely incredible. Really laid the blueprint for the modern action film that became a big thing in the 80s. Have commando and Die Hard after that. All the other Schwarzenegger films that really laid the blueprint in the early 80s. [00:05:28] Speaker A: Body mess alone in Predator. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah, Rambo, First Blood Part 2 and Rambo 3 were things that happened. Rambo from 2007 was okay. And then there's this Rambo movie. This is the last one. It was produced on a budget of $50 million and it made 91.1 million at the box office. 339 million for this franchise all across all five films. [00:05:52] Speaker A: 50 fucking million dollars. [00:05:53] Speaker B: $50 million for this thing. [00:05:55] Speaker A: For this. That's what $50 million gets you. [00:05:58] Speaker B: That is what $50 million gets you. All right, so we're gonna go into the talent now that we have that kind of basis of these movies. So we're first gonna dive into the scripts. Terminator employs all the classic franchise revival tropes, while Rambo brings his international jaunts of destruction to the home front. In this movie, Terminator really goes through all the classic. Bring back the legacy characters, bring in new characters, modernize it for them the times. Rambo really doesn't do that. It's just Rambo on another adventure. This one just so happens to be in the United States. [00:06:38] Speaker A: Adventure of Lifetime, really. [00:06:39] Speaker C: It's Rambo. But he's tired. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Yes, he's tired and old and crotchety. [00:06:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:44] Speaker B: And all those things. [00:06:45] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:06:45] Speaker C: I thought he was a little, like, [00:06:46] Speaker A: he was made of, like, garbage bags filled with, like, terracotta clay. Like, it was like. I was like, he's gonna crumble. He's just gonna fall apart. When some of those. [00:06:54] Speaker C: Cory and I actually watched the movie together, and I actually made a remark about this where it really seems. Seems like I don't know how it happened, but his face just flattened and his eyes and his mouth have just kind of just. They're sinking in, but somehow, like, the rest of his face is pushed forward. [00:07:09] Speaker B: It's like a live skeleton almost. [00:07:11] Speaker A: It really is. It's very disturbing to watch. It's very, like, square face. So when they surround the. Out of him, like, he's going to just die, like, And. No. No. Yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker B: So the Terminator Dark Fate script was written by David S. Goyer, Justin Rhodes, and Billy Ray. We familiar with any of these guys? [00:07:27] Speaker A: Goyer joint. Yeah. [00:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah. So David S. Goyer does a lot of work in the comic book film Stace. He was responsible for the Blade trilogy. He actually directed the third one, Blade Trinity, the one with Ryan Reynolds. That kind of stinks. [00:07:41] Speaker A: That's a gem. [00:07:41] Speaker B: Is it? [00:07:42] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Okay. Justin Rhodes. This is his only real notable credit, although apparently he is working on RoboCop returns, if we are interested in that. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Oh, does he have to come back? Can he just not. [00:07:55] Speaker B: Can he not. Can he stay where he was? [00:07:57] Speaker A: He was fine. I mean, we're good. [00:07:58] Speaker C: Feels like it's ringing. A familiar theme for him. Yeah. [00:08:02] Speaker B: And then Billy Ray has a lot of writing credits in his IMDb he did work on Volcano, a movie that may or may not be discussed on a Later episode of this podcast. He also wrote. He also wrote State of Play and Shattered Glass, couple solid journalism movies. And then he also wrote Captain Phillips, which is a movie I very much enjoy. The Tom Hanks movie. [00:08:24] Speaker A: That was like, I'm the captain now. [00:08:27] Speaker B: It's when. It's when Tom Hanks is on a boat and the boat gets taken over by Somalian parrots. [00:08:32] Speaker C: The answer is yes. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. He's like, I am the captain. [00:08:34] Speaker B: I am the captain now. [00:08:35] Speaker C: Yes. [00:08:36] Speaker B: And then Rambo, Last Blood is written by Matthew. I'm going to get this name wrong, but Serlnick Slice of Stallone himself. And Dan Gordon, Matt Cerlnick. Only real noteworthy credit was paid in full. [00:08:50] Speaker A: I don't even know what that is. [00:08:51] Speaker B: Good movie from the early 2000s. Wood Harris is in that movie from the Wire. Fame defined. [00:08:58] Speaker C: Good. [00:08:58] Speaker B: Oh, it's just like a solid hangout movie. You know, all black cast. Really good stuff. I enjoy that movie quite a bit. Sly Stallone, we all know him. He always shows up writing and directing in pretty much every franchise he's ever been in. [00:09:11] Speaker A: I call him Mr. Montage. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Yep. Rocky, the Expendables. [00:09:15] Speaker A: Half that movie was a montage. It was like, how long is he getting ready for this fight? Like, holy. [00:09:21] Speaker C: Oh, question, though. I mean, in terms of Sly Sloan's writing credit on this Is this. And this is how I just envision it going. Unless people have told stories about it that I'm unaware of. It's, hey, we wrote this script and Sly one's cool. I'm gonna look at it. And then rewrites it all himself. [00:09:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's normally how it goes. Because, like, he's got that in him. [00:09:39] Speaker A: He's the draw. I mean, he's the reason that they're making it. They didn't make you think they made. [00:09:44] Speaker B: They're not making Rambo Last Blood without Sliced alone. [00:09:47] Speaker A: For the. For the. For the daughter character. I don't know. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah, and that was also a mistake, as we learned. So he always does work on these franchises that he's involved in. The Expendables, Rocky, et cetera. [00:09:58] Speaker A: He's on tour. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Dan Gordon, he wrote Surf Ninjas. Ridiculous movie. That was very important to my childhood, and it is exactly like it sounds. He was also involved in Wyatt Earp, another movie we may or may not discuss on this podcast. And also the Hurricane with Denzel. Solid movie. [00:10:18] Speaker A: Which was the Hurricane. [00:10:19] Speaker B: The Hurricane was when he was the boxer who got. [00:10:21] Speaker A: Oh, right, right. [00:10:22] Speaker B: Arrested for killing someone. I forget the Hurricane's exact story, but it's with Denzel. Solid movie from the late 90s. [00:10:28] Speaker A: Boxer in prison. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:10:31] Speaker B: So anyway, the scripts, the talent involved with that, do we have preferences here in terms of Rambo bringing his violent jaunts to the home front versus Terminator following this kind of franchise revival note by note? [00:10:49] Speaker A: I mean, they're all played, man. I don't know. Like, I cannot. I can't handle. I can't handle the right wing wet dream that was that Last Blood movie. And I also really can't. I think the reason, like, so the Terminator was rebooted three times in what, the last decade and a half. [00:11:06] Speaker B: Terminator Salvation, Terminator Genesis, and now Terminator Dark Fate. [00:11:10] Speaker A: And they're all supposed. They were all supposed to be trilogies. [00:11:12] Speaker C: Yes. [00:11:13] Speaker B: They were all supposed to turn into another reboot of the entire thing. [00:11:16] Speaker A: And, you know, the American people spoke, and they're like, we don't fucking need that. We don't need this anymore. Like, why do you. Stop, stop, stop. Please stop. And I think it's because. I think I. Like, we were talking a little bit because I went back and watched the first Terminator and then the First Blood for the first time, which was really nice. I'm a big fan now of the first rainbow movie. Not the other one, the first one. And, like, those were, like, really solid films that are really well written and really interesting and broke some ground and. I mean, but Terminator, like. I mean, it's the. It's like, you can't. It's. That whole thing is like, I'm gonna go back in time and kill Hitler. It's like, why not go back in time and, like, raise him properly, you know? I mean, like, why not? Why not? Like, why you gotta kill Sarah Connor? Like, there's nothing. There's not. There's no other ways you can make this happen. Go back and give Sarah Connor, like, a mild meth addiction and see how that works out. Like, I don't know, like, why. So vines are so smart. It just seems. I mean, I guess it's the simplest way, but, like, is it. Because when you watch these things and it's pure carnage. There's people dying, so much collateral damage for just, like, one girl. Like, if you just got her a taste of black tar, you might just erase the whole thing. Like, you. I mean, like. Or, like, yeah, so, like, I think it's the baby Hitler problem. Like, don't. Don't go back and kill him. Go back and teach him, like, you know, to paint better. Or, like, you know, to be a good friend to his neighbors and maybe, you know, take him to Seder dinner and see how that works. Like, everyone's friends now. I don't get it. [00:12:37] Speaker C: Like, I think it's fascinating that you went from meth to opiates. [00:12:42] Speaker A: Like, that's how you. That's how it goes. [00:12:44] Speaker B: That's how Yoast relates. [00:12:45] Speaker A: That's how it rolls. How do you do drugs? [00:12:49] Speaker C: Well, that's. I mean, we do it a little differently, I think, you and I. [00:12:52] Speaker A: You got to take the edge off meth, man. Like, you can't just math it out all day long. But no, I mean, I'm saying it's like, it's these. These. I think they just didn't. I mean, these scripts are just like, dude, come on. You just went with the same shit. I know. That's. [00:13:05] Speaker C: Well, okay, so if we're gonna. But if we're gonna compare the two, I think in theory there is one that should be better, right? I think that at least in terms of, like, going to this premises, of at least what Rambo being like, as you said, the right wing wet dream, it should be the one that I should root against. However, I just didn't. In terms of execution, I didn't really care for Dark Fate in terms of, like, what the storyline was trying to get across to me. And I say that because I completely really forgot what happened in that movie because it felt so unimportant. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Well, the last 40 minutes of it is a fight scene. [00:13:40] Speaker B: The last 40 minutes is an extended fight scene. [00:13:42] Speaker A: It's only like. It's only like a little bit of dialogue, and then they just fight all over the place. [00:13:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I know, but I'm trying to figure out, like, there's. I have these notes in here and the context. I'm just like, but why? Where did that happen? [00:13:54] Speaker B: I'm completely with you. I think the script's like, I can't. I cannot in good conscious go for Rambo, Last Blood, because like you said, it's a right wing wet dream. We'll get more into that. But Terminator, Dark Fate also, like, it's 30 minutes of good, and then another hour and a half of just, like, really just dragging it out over and over again. There could have been so much tightening on that thing. [00:14:18] Speaker C: This could have been a half hour, like, little short film. [00:14:21] Speaker A: Isn't that how the first. I mean, I give. I'll give the credit to the fact that both of the. So these are the last installments of probably the last installment. So to speak. And then I watched the first one because I wanted some context. Like, so, like, they weren't that far from the first movie. The Terminator is like. Like just a long action sequence staccatoed with, you know, a few different things. And, like, one of the, like, longest sex scene. Like, gratuitously long sex scene. Which I guess, like, means they're in love. I think James Cameron is a sociopath, so I don't think he. I think he's like, now they're love. Now they're in love. Look at. They had sex with their shirt off. And you're like, nah, I don't know, man. Is that really love? And then, like, so then Rambo does the same thing. Rambo is a continuous. I mean, what's missing is, like, kind of, especially at the end of the first Rambo, where, like, the point of it is that he's got ptsd, that no one cares about Vietnam vets and everyone treated them like shit. And, like, that's what started this whole thing. So I don't know. It's a just. Yeah. There was no nutritive value for Last Blood for me. It was just like, he just sits on the porch. It's like, cool. I don't know, man. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Like, yeah, I got problems with both. Oh, for sure. [00:15:28] Speaker A: But at least in. In Dark Fate, like, they had a few moments where, like, a little bit of humor, like, he went to go to put his sunglasses on. He didn't. I was like, all right. [00:15:38] Speaker B: I also really like the line where Arnold reveals his gun warehouse and then is like, well, this is Texas. That was a nice line. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:15:45] Speaker B: Enjoyed that. [00:15:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:46] Speaker C: I felt cheap, but it didn't make me laugh. [00:15:49] Speaker B: Ah, well, you're just dead inside. [00:15:50] Speaker A: I don't know what's up. For some reason, both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sly Stallone think that, like, being, like, their characters immediately, like, relatable or like, oh, I care about that person because they saved two brown people from, like, their own, like, terrible. [00:16:06] Speaker B: That's all it took. [00:16:06] Speaker A: It's all it took. And then you're like, oh, well, he's not a bad robot anymore because he saved. He was beating them. So, like. No, I say it's like, oh, Jesus Christ. Really? Is that what you, like? You know, the same thing on the other. It was literally the same story. It was like, both the mother and daughter, Mexican women have been beaten. We don't see it. It's off screen by this person and this robot and. Or, I mean, Sty Stallone is a Robot came along and, like, have to [00:16:32] Speaker B: protect or get revenge. [00:16:33] Speaker A: So apparently, like, if you just. Yeah, so it's like, oh, God. This is really, like. I don't know, just a lot of touch. A little bit. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. Let's go to the directors of these two movies. We have Tim Miller as the director of Terminator Dark Fate and Adrian Gruenberg as the director of Of Last Blood. Tim Miller, he did Deadpool. The first one. [00:16:55] Speaker A: Good one. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Good one, good movie. Don't care for the second one too much. But the first Deadpool is pretty dope. [00:17:00] Speaker A: I could fuck with all three. [00:17:02] Speaker B: That's fine. And then Adrian Groomberg also has only one other directorial credit. It is a movie called get the Gringo. It is a 2012 movie with Mel Gibson that I did not know existed. [00:17:15] Speaker C: I knew it existed. [00:17:16] Speaker A: Mel in his good years. [00:17:17] Speaker C: That's about as far as 2012. [00:17:19] Speaker B: A good year for Mel? I don't think so. [00:17:20] Speaker A: I mean, I think it's all been gray before for that guy. I don't know. I haven't read any news. Do you know something? I don't. I think he loves everybody. [00:17:27] Speaker B: He's a big fan of everyone. Right. [00:17:29] Speaker C: He's thriving in these current times. Actually, right now, this is like his moment. [00:17:33] Speaker A: Terrible today. [00:17:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:34] Speaker A: I think most people like him. Terrible. [00:17:36] Speaker C: But I'm just truthful. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah, but all those people are. Now there's like, oh, I can say the. You know, these terrible things out loud. [00:17:41] Speaker C: You're like, well, no, you can be president now. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it's true. Yeah. [00:17:44] Speaker C: So Mel Gibson, watch out. That's actually. [00:17:46] Speaker B: Let's not go there. [00:17:47] Speaker A: All right, all right. [00:17:48] Speaker B: So I will say for me, what Women Want. [00:17:52] Speaker C: He's got it. All right, sorry. [00:17:54] Speaker B: What Women Want is a dope movie. I don't care what anyone says. But Tim Miller, he. He has some flashes in Terminator, Dark Fate. Some of the action sequences are pretty good. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:18:05] Speaker B: Especially the introductory scene where they're doing the chase sequence with the big kind of dump truck that. [00:18:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:18:12] Speaker B: There's some flashes in there where I see kind of like him flexing a little bit. Adrien Grunberg. Not much. I didn't see much. That was, like, really standing out to me in terms of the shots, I think pretty vanilla. [00:18:24] Speaker A: He gripped up, like, Sly's bagels for him. [00:18:27] Speaker C: Like, I think. [00:18:27] Speaker A: I think Sly ran this show. [00:18:29] Speaker B: Sly ran this show. [00:18:30] Speaker C: I feel like I got one scene in particular I thought was shot wonderfully. [00:18:34] Speaker B: Okay, hit us. [00:18:36] Speaker C: The heart scene. You're going to go ahead and tell Me that you weren't like just rooting on him, cutting like one, telling him, I'm going to rip your heart out [00:18:47] Speaker B: and show it to you. [00:18:48] Speaker C: Show it to you. Two literally doing that. Cutting his chest open, ripping out his heart and being like, But I mean, [00:18:55] Speaker A: how long did that stick? I mean, the guy's like, oh, my heart. And it was dead. It wasn't like, holy. I think he was pretty much just like passed out from the pain. It just was. It was for him is all I'm saying. [00:19:05] Speaker C: You're taking away. [00:19:06] Speaker A: It was for him. It wasn't for that guy. You know what I mean? [00:19:10] Speaker C: It was fun for him and all of us. [00:19:12] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker C: But it wasn't. [00:19:14] Speaker A: Wasn't for the dying guy, unfortunately. [00:19:16] Speaker B: I never get. I never get that, like, you have to have some very religious viewpoints to think like this is going to traumatize them in the afterlife or something. Like, no, he's just, he's just dead. Like, [00:19:28] Speaker C: that's a baller move. On his way up. Like, see him? And you're just waving. His heart beating. [00:19:33] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen. [00:19:34] Speaker B: It is a baller move and I love that. That is the only scene in this movie that I really enjoy. But like, yes, I just wanted. [00:19:40] Speaker C: It's what brought it all together. [00:19:41] Speaker A: I want him to cut away from all the music and all this stuff and just like a camera, like in a wide thing. And he's just still holding this dead dude who's just kind of flopping and he's just like, yep, I'm holding this dude's heart in my hand. Like, no, that was like. I don't think he self reflects as much as we all think that Rambo does. [00:19:56] Speaker C: I mean, I propose by the time he got back to his porch, just sat down and then just reaches into his pocket and there it is. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like an apple. [00:20:07] Speaker B: He looks start munching on it just like. [00:20:09] Speaker C: I wasn't saying that. I thought he was just gonna look at it with like, just like, sort of like, I don't know what. [00:20:13] Speaker B: And then put it in a case, frame it. [00:20:15] Speaker C: Nope, just sit there. And then the camera just continues to pan out. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Pan out slowly. I like that. Yeah, that, that, that would have been a fitting ending. [00:20:21] Speaker C: That would have been the fitting ending. So. [00:20:22] Speaker A: Because it was for him. That's what I'm saying. [00:20:24] Speaker C: It was for us. [00:20:25] Speaker B: It was for all of us. [00:20:27] Speaker C: It was for. It was for our. [00:20:30] Speaker A: I forget that people watch movies. If you've ever seen one of my films, you'll understand Why I say, all right. [00:20:36] Speaker B: And so that's the directors. Now let's take into account some of the actors involved. [00:20:41] Speaker C: They can hear you. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Oh, that's great. [00:20:45] Speaker B: So let's take into account some of the actors involved. We are going to do a separate thing where we kind of discuss the new introductions to this franchise. So I want to focus in just here on the franchise holdovers, the kind of all stars of this sort of. In Terminator Dark Fate, you have Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor. You have Arnold Schwarzenegger as carl slash the T800. Sly Stallone as Rambo coming back. You know, for me, I always love Sarah Connor. Think she's a legendary character in this. Not the best. Has a couple moments kill Terminators. [00:21:22] Speaker C: I mean, it was one of the more badass things where she just like. And I can't remember. I know it was in her introduction, like, oh, Sarah's here. And she just. Just. No, look. Drops a grenade on someone to just. [00:21:32] Speaker B: Yep. [00:21:33] Speaker A: But then she's like, I'll be back. It's like, no. [00:21:35] Speaker B: They gave her the all be backline. That's a thing that happens. [00:21:38] Speaker C: I don't know. That one hurt me. It felt like it. I don't. [00:21:42] Speaker A: It felt like her heart wasn't in it. Really? [00:21:43] Speaker C: It felt like a neutered performance. [00:21:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it felt. Felt. It felt a bit like a cash grab. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Yeah, a little bit. I heard the sound of the cash machine going. Or a catchphraser. [00:21:54] Speaker C: Do you feel that? It was like, you know, she didn't have her heart because it was in Sly Sloan's hand. [00:21:59] Speaker B: Nailed it. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Nailed it. [00:22:00] Speaker B: All right. Arnold Schwarzenegger, also in this movie. Terminators have always been one of my favorite roles for him because Arnold as an actor is pretty robotic. So just using him as a little robot, it really works. [00:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker B: The only other times I really like Arnold as an actor is when he's making fun of himself in movies like True Lies or Total Recall, because then it's kind of in on the joke. So I've always liked these roles. I think he's pretty funny in this. The this is Texas line. [00:22:29] Speaker C: He says it and I'm extremely funny. But then I also wrote next to it. Didn't hit well. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Didn't hit the line well. I didn't hit well. [00:22:38] Speaker C: Or he didn't land. [00:22:39] Speaker B: It landed for me. I liked it. [00:22:41] Speaker A: It was in a weird spot. I'll go with you. Like, now's the time to get cheeky. [00:22:45] Speaker C: Oh, now we're going to make a joke. Arnold. [00:22:47] Speaker A: No one Told what's her name, the new lady, that they could have a little fun with it. She was just. She was very serious. [00:22:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:54] Speaker A: What's. What's her name? Mackenzie. Mackenzie. [00:22:57] Speaker B: Mackenzie Davis. [00:22:58] Speaker A: Yeah. No, people, like, have fun with it. [00:23:00] Speaker B: She's like, nah, nah, I'm not gonna do that. [00:23:02] Speaker A: I'm gonna be very serious about this all the time. I'm like, all right. [00:23:05] Speaker C: To be fair, I don't know if Linda did either. [00:23:08] Speaker A: I don't think, like, again, I mean, she delivered it like, you know, cha ching, cha ching. Yeah. So, yeah. [00:23:14] Speaker B: And then there's Sliced Alone as Rambo. Always been a big fan of these roles for him. [00:23:22] Speaker C: Didn't feel like Rambo with empathy for everyone other than Mexicans. [00:23:28] Speaker B: Well, you could argue that his niece is of Latina descent. Doesn't like the bad Mexicans, we'll say. But, I mean, I wasn't. I wasn't big on bad. [00:23:41] Speaker C: Hombres is what we're supposed to be using in the context of this film. [00:23:43] Speaker A: It was, I guess, like. Like, oh, hey, all brown people just are pimps and drug dealers. Like, except for the ones that are little baby daughters or grandmamas. And you're like, holy. [00:23:52] Speaker B: It has a very limited viewpoint on humanity south of the border. Let's say that Sly Stallone. I mean, he's fine. I don't have a problem with anything that he's doing in this movie. But he is looking every bit of 70 something in this movie. Like you said, he kind of looks like a skeleton. His face is sinking in. Yeah, but, you know, he's very fragile. He's there doing Rambo things. [00:24:16] Speaker C: He was very fragile in this movie. [00:24:19] Speaker A: I know. [00:24:19] Speaker B: Emotionally fragile. [00:24:20] Speaker C: I think both. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Both physically and emotionally fragile. [00:24:23] Speaker C: Well, did you see the first. His first Introduction to the Gang, I guess. Didn't go well. [00:24:29] Speaker B: Did not go well. Yeah. [00:24:30] Speaker A: What was his thoughts there? He was going to. [00:24:32] Speaker C: I don't. [00:24:32] Speaker B: I don't know what the thought process was. [00:24:34] Speaker C: I think it was. I still got it. And then. No, I don't. [00:24:38] Speaker A: They are 75 years old. They are breaking all your bones right now. [00:24:41] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:24:42] Speaker A: And four days later, he's like, I'm fine. [00:24:44] Speaker C: I will say he swelled up very quickly. I feel like his eyes swelled shut just, like, immediately. And I think there's at least a couple of minutes that should have passed. [00:24:54] Speaker B: There's a real quick cut to him away, and then all of a sudden he is all messed up. [00:25:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:00] Speaker A: Have you ever seen someone get the living shit kicked out of him? [00:25:03] Speaker C: Well, we're doing an MMA anyway. But it's. Yeah, no. [00:25:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I forget that you like. [00:25:09] Speaker B: He's a big MMA fan, but like, [00:25:10] Speaker A: in like real life, I like to [00:25:11] Speaker C: watch people be beat the out of each other in a cage. [00:25:13] Speaker B: He watches it a lot. [00:25:15] Speaker A: We should, we should, we should go to Troy. You can watch it in real life. Just mess with me. [00:25:20] Speaker C: Lived in Troy for several years. [00:25:22] Speaker A: That's right. [00:25:22] Speaker B: All right, so. That's right. You have taking into account all these pieces, the directors, the scripts, the actors, you know, we're not. We're not big on these, but we do have to declare a winner. There are no ties here. Okay, so Beam, start us off. How are you scoring this round of the opening with the talent involved? [00:25:45] Speaker A: This is round one. [00:25:46] Speaker B: Round one. [00:25:47] Speaker C: This is round one. I mean, I think I have to give it a 10, 9 to Terminator. Just in terms of that, like the storyline itself, I don't necessarily care for in some of the execution, but like interminer in Terminator. But like, you kind of got to give it to it. If I, if, if I'm going to be fair here. There seemed like a bit more effort was put into this one, so I got to give it the Terminator. [00:26:16] Speaker B: There was definitely a little bit more effort to it. Some people were giving it more than others. You know, Arnold was there for it, Linda Hamilton less so everyone was there for it in Rambo. But I cannot get around that script and just how limited its viewpoint was. [00:26:37] Speaker A: And Sly's viewpoint. Now you think, is he gone full. [00:26:40] Speaker B: I have no idea. Honestly, I don't know about his politics, but, like, if it is reflective of this movie, my God. So I can't, I can't. I can't stump for Rambo in that, with that script. So I got to go. Ten, nine, dark Vate. I agree with Beam. It's got some pacing issues for sure. Could have been at least a half an hour shorter that movie. But all in all, you know, decent script, decent effort, some really good scenes in there. In Terminator, Dark Fate for me now, we usually. [00:27:08] Speaker A: 10, 9, 8. 10, 8. What are you saying? What am I saying? [00:27:10] Speaker B: That's the score. [00:27:11] Speaker C: I mean, this is more just trying to say, like, I think Terminator edged it out on this one. Yeah, it was a close round. [00:27:18] Speaker A: These terms are fighting terms. [00:27:20] Speaker B: These are fighting terms. This is how they score it. 108 would be a really dominant performance. 107 was if we deducted something, for instance, for, you know, we could deduct a point for Rambo's script. Like, if you want, you want to [00:27:34] Speaker C: go 10, 8, because Rambo went right, Right leaning. [00:27:37] Speaker A: That's going to be part 10's your top. [00:27:39] Speaker B: 10 is the top. That's the winner. [00:27:41] Speaker C: The winner, essentially. [00:27:42] Speaker A: Gotcha. And nine is like, if it's a [00:27:44] Speaker C: more dominant performance, then you could say it's like a 10, 8. [00:27:47] Speaker A: Like 10 1. [00:27:48] Speaker C: Or it's like an ultimate, ultimate dominant performance. We can go 10, 7 if you [00:27:52] Speaker A: really want to do that. Yeah, yeah, I'll go. Yeah. For Dark Fate for sure. Yeah. [00:27:56] Speaker C: Well, what's your score? Is it 109? [00:27:58] Speaker A: I'm going with 107, man. Very dominant. [00:28:00] Speaker C: Wow. Okay. I think we need to now take an investigation into your standards of judging for a 107 round, because it just feels like you're, you're handicapping well. [00:28:10] Speaker A: Oh, oh, handicapped. Are you going to, like, tally all these up? [00:28:13] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I'm just going to randomly give out scores. [00:28:17] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't know. Like, what if he won the round? And it's like, again, I, I, I don't watch a lot of this stuff, fighting stuff, so I don't know, it's [00:28:24] Speaker C: like we should have had a conversation with you specifically. [00:28:26] Speaker A: You did, but, like, I was just. Let's pretend I didn't listen. [00:28:29] Speaker C: Pretend. [00:28:31] Speaker A: I'll just assume. Yeah. All right, so I'll go 10, 8. [00:28:35] Speaker B: 10 8, I think is fair. [00:28:36] Speaker C: I think that's fair. [00:28:37] Speaker A: I'll go 10, 8. [00:28:38] Speaker B: All right, so now I know. Terminator Dark Fate wins from all three of us in the first round. Let's go to the second round. This is franchise revival Hallmark number one. In the franchise revivals, you always have to introduce new characters to the story. In Terminator Dark Fate, we have the introduction of three new folks that are of note. We have Mackenzie Davis as Grace, a sort of hybrid human robot. She was augmented, as they say in the movie. You have Natalia Reyes as Dani Ramos. She is the modern John Connor, so to speak. And we also have Gabrielle Luna as the big bad, the Rev9 in Rambo last Blood. We have Yvette Monreal, which is the niece Gabriela. We have Paz Vega, the reporter. She's also Gabriela. No, that's not right. I don't remember her name. And then we have Sergio Paris Manchetta, I think is how you pronounce his name. [00:29:46] Speaker C: Cheese. [00:29:47] Speaker B: He is. Yeah, kind of. He is the Big Bad, the head of the kidnapping sex trafficking ring. [00:29:56] Speaker A: Worse man. [00:29:56] Speaker C: Oh, and like, basically rest of Mexico too, because remember, you can't trust anyone else in Mexico. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Apparently not. Because not according to this film. [00:30:02] Speaker A: But that he was so bad when he's like, I'm not gonna kill you. I'm like, just like, shut the up, dude. Like, oh, God. It was like he was like. He so. Yo, he tried so hard. He tried so hard. You watching him try so hard to be like, oh, I'm the rainbow movie. And you're like, you're not killing it, bro. Like, he. [00:30:22] Speaker B: He really goes for the. The villainy. Yeah, he really, really tries to send it. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And. But the thing is, like, you're sitting here like, these girls are nothing to me. They don't give a about. These are objects to me. It's like, and let her go. There's other little girls you can kidnap out there like this. [00:30:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but then you wouldn't be a villain if you did that. [00:30:43] Speaker A: I know, but like, like, he's now he's. [00:30:45] Speaker C: He's. He's playing with his objects now. [00:30:48] Speaker A: Oh, my God. It's just like. [00:30:49] Speaker C: That actually sounds weird. [00:30:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:53] Speaker B: So I'm not. I'm not real familiar with any of these actors, to be honest with you. [00:30:58] Speaker C: Hadn't noticed any of them. [00:30:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Sergio. Paris Manchetta, the Big Bad. He is also in Meg to the Trench, which is a movie I can't explain why I enjoy. [00:31:08] Speaker A: There's a Giant Shark. It's totally great. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Yep. Paz Vega was in Spanglish once upon a Time, which is a movie I saw once on a date and never watched again. No, I don't think that's Woody Allen movie. Maybe I don't remember. I watched it once. Don't really remember her in it. She was in a movie called Talk to Her, but not much else to her credits. Not doing a lot in Terminator, Dark Fate. You got Mackenzie Davis, who is a national treasure, in my opinion. Happiest season that awkward moment. Blade Runner, 2049. The Martian. She is wonderful. James Brooks, Spanglish. Okay. Mackenzie Davis, she's a national treasure. [00:31:50] Speaker A: She's a Holt and Catch Fire. [00:31:52] Speaker B: Halt and Catch Fire. Great, great show. Love that show. The Martian. Blade Runner 2049. [00:31:58] Speaker A: 2049. But she's only like briefly, right? [00:32:00] Speaker B: Yeah, she's not in a super lot, but she plays kind of bit roles in a lot of these, like franchise or these like blockbuster movies. Like, she was also one of the scientists and the Martian that shows up. [00:32:11] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:32:12] Speaker B: She's always doing great. Happiest season when she was in that as a lesbian who is going home to meet her parents and is going to come out and it kind of all goes wrong. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Oh, right. I've seen it. [00:32:27] Speaker B: 2020. Big, big holiday movie. Really enjoyed that. So Mackenzie Davis, National Treasure Italia Reyes. Not a lot of credits that I recognize. [00:32:37] Speaker C: I liked her. [00:32:37] Speaker B: I liked her. She. I think she did good in this movie. [00:32:40] Speaker C: I thought she brought it. I thought if we. I thought if we. If they had done what we kind of talked. Actually, I was more thinking this can. Could have been like a half hour like, prequel to like, what the new basically introducing [00:32:57] Speaker A: was it guy. [00:32:58] Speaker C: What was her character's name in it? [00:33:01] Speaker B: Danny Ramos. [00:33:03] Speaker C: I feel like it could have been like a way to introduce like, basically handing the torch off to her kind of thing and letting it run well. Yeah, we just didn't need it for an hour and a half. So they wanted them doing like, her movie as an introductory because I actually thought she. She held it. I kind of wish she was carrying it more than Linda every now and again. [00:33:26] Speaker B: I agree. I thought she was pretty great in it. Gabrielle Luna, also in this movie. He is in the Last of Us, which is a great television show. [00:33:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. He's the brother. [00:33:36] Speaker B: He's the brother of Pedro Pascal's character. I mean, he's a pretty menacing figure. [00:33:42] Speaker C: He plays the bad guy. Well, I would not like to be around him. No, but here's angry. [00:33:46] Speaker A: No, like, his face, like, the whole look of him was great, but, like, then at the end, like, he's just like, you should just give her to me. Like, he was like, being a villain and like, he's a robot. They're not supposed to be. They're not villainous. [00:33:58] Speaker C: That's not his fault. [00:33:59] Speaker A: No, but I mean, like, that's the writing. I mean, that's. [00:34:01] Speaker B: It is the writing, but, like, the way you perform it. [00:34:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Also, like, you need to be a bit robotic. I. I did really enjoy when he kind of started mimicking other people, like when they were at the Mexican or the. [00:34:12] Speaker A: The. [00:34:12] Speaker B: The immigration detention facility. And he was like, Im imitating like a good old Southern boy. I thought he did a good job of that. I thought it was, like, appropriate. [00:34:22] Speaker A: So I like some of his face. Like, you could see him just go from like, being like, he fell into that dude's shed. And then he's like. But he didn't really mean it because he's a robot. But, like, it was actually going well until that moment. Like, he's like, you. Like, he just is like an evil guy. Like, give her to me. You're like, dude, you're a robot. And, like, you don't care. You don't give a if all you have to do is kill her. Like, you don't care what these people think. Well, I mean, he's being kind of like, what's that weird? I can't ever remember that word. Whenever someone's being arch. Being very arch. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Being very arch. [00:34:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:52] Speaker C: He's got a mission, man. He's trying to complete it. [00:34:54] Speaker A: Yeah, but he said the third shade. He's a robot, man. [00:34:58] Speaker C: Yeah, fine. [00:34:59] Speaker B: I mean, it's less funny, though. [00:35:00] Speaker A: It doesn't matter. He's already scared the out of him. [00:35:03] Speaker B: I would be very scared. [00:35:04] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I mean, that guy coming at me, and then all of a sudden he turns into two people. Yeah, yeah, for sure. [00:35:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:09] Speaker B: I mean, I don't. I really don't want to disparage any of the actors in Rambo Last Blood. I feel like none of them were given much to do except for the Sergio, the big bad, the villain. [00:35:21] Speaker A: He. [00:35:23] Speaker B: He is really chewing scenery, though, when he is on the screen. I mean, Paz Vega and Yvette Monreal, they're just not given anything to do that's not their fault. They're doing the best with it that they can, but, like, they're just not given much. Sergio's not very good in this. Chewing scenery all over the place. Not good way. [00:35:43] Speaker A: And the previous 15 minutes before that, I was like, okay, they're gonna abduct her because her friend's gonna bring, like. It just was like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I paused it, wrote everything down. I think it's gonna happen. It literally happened moment to moment. Nope. [00:35:55] Speaker B: I know. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Nope. I know. I was like, oh, fuck me. [00:35:57] Speaker C: I also love that the reporter was like, for. I forget what. Even if they said a publication or, like, what reporter work are you doing? [00:36:05] Speaker A: Like, I used to be a reporter. Did you. Did you ever get involved this heavily with the cartel or. No, no, probably not, right? [00:36:12] Speaker C: No, No, I didn't. I also was covering, like. I don't know. Troy. [00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:17] Speaker C: Schenectady, which. I don't know. [00:36:20] Speaker B: Not Mexico City. [00:36:21] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know which of the cartel was hanging around. [00:36:23] Speaker A: I don't know how much of the cartel is actually hanging out in all of Mexico either. That's what I'm saying is, like, they kind of just paint it. Like, every time you go into Mexico, the cartel is everywhere. And I'm sure they. There's very much a lot of cartel activity in Mexico. But, like, there are people that live their lives. Like, it's not like every corner is just, like, people with cell phones and guns. Well, you know what? Maybe. I don't know. Maybe I should shut my mouth, because I. I mean, I'm in Mexico in a while, and I don't know. [00:36:47] Speaker C: What I will say is that, like, you know, she's involving herself in the story way too much, coming in and taking care of random. [00:36:54] Speaker B: I don't think. I don't think that her sister also was kidnapped. That's why she is well invested. [00:36:59] Speaker C: Check your bias at the door. That's what I'm saying. [00:37:02] Speaker A: I have to admit that I did hit the 2x button whenever their scenes were. Because I was like, this is. There's no chemist. There's nothing happening. [00:37:09] Speaker B: There's nothing happening there. And it's not again. It's the writing. Do you all remember that movie? [00:37:13] Speaker C: In that movie, do you all remember [00:37:15] Speaker B: that movie man on Fire? [00:37:16] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Where Denzel puts, like, an ass bomb and some guys. [00:37:19] Speaker C: Yeah. And there's a bomb up someone. [00:37:21] Speaker B: But there's. Yes, there's. [00:37:23] Speaker A: It's an ass bomb. [00:37:24] Speaker B: There's an investigative journalist character that Denzel and her really actually team up, and there's chemistry, and they're, like, really working together in that movie. And that could have been a dynamic that they played on here, and it would have worked quite well, but they just did nothing with that character. Like, her only job in the movie was to nurse Rambo back to health. And that was like. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Well, kind of gave me some background understanding. [00:37:46] Speaker C: Yeah, everything was kind of just an A to B sort of thing. I don't think the context really mattered. In some instances. It just would have taken some thought. [00:37:55] Speaker B: All right, so now we got to score this round. How are we going? Yoast, you're up first. [00:38:00] Speaker A: New. [00:38:00] Speaker B: The new people to the franchise. [00:38:02] Speaker A: It's gonna go. It's gonna go 10, 9. To dark fate for sure. [00:38:06] Speaker C: I find it fascinating. You gave this one a 10, 9 again. [00:38:10] Speaker A: I just learned this scoring system, so I'm just. I'm glad you're fascinated with it. I'm fascinated by what it means, but I think I've got it figured out. 10, 7 seems like I gotta rethink everything. 10, 8. Or, like, a really feel for it. [00:38:22] Speaker C: 10, 8 was a good clog back for you. [00:38:23] Speaker B: Yeah. 10, 8 was a perfect. [00:38:25] Speaker A: I'll go 108 again for the. For Dark Fate again. [00:38:27] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:38:28] Speaker A: Because I, like. I really don't like. [00:38:29] Speaker C: I think we're sealing the fate of. [00:38:30] Speaker A: I really don't like Last Blood. [00:38:32] Speaker C: So, like, you know what? People should just stop listening. [00:38:34] Speaker B: It's Got a chance. [00:38:35] Speaker C: Turn it off. [00:38:36] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. [00:38:37] Speaker C: We figured out the score already. [00:38:38] Speaker B: It's. [00:38:39] Speaker C: It's. It's. Anyway, go ahead. [00:38:40] Speaker A: Sorry. Well, if there's a round for brutality, then we're going to be reversed. [00:38:44] Speaker B: So, Beam, how are you scoring this round? [00:38:47] Speaker C: I have to give it a 10. 8. The Terminator. I mean, if you really think about it, this is a round of dominance. And as much as I had fun with Rambo Last Blood, and I'm now kind of rethinking what my first round score should have been. But the problem is it's written down, it's submitted, it's in. [00:39:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:39:05] Speaker C: But I will say that just, like, if I. If I'm gonna, like, really focus on, like, the new characters here, there was actually substance provided by the new characters in Terminator. You know, for Yvette Monreal, she just kind of died right away. You, like, had a bit of an attachment, and then she's gone. Heroin overdose. Very interesting overdose, the way that it went. Just the peaks and valleys of it. [00:39:33] Speaker A: So she also just, like, she was okay for a while, and then she OD'd. [00:39:37] Speaker C: That's. That's the part that I wasn't sure about. It seemed like she was ODing and then was okay. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:39:44] Speaker C: And then went back to ODing. [00:39:47] Speaker A: But. And this is. [00:39:48] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a tricky place to, like, start walking. Like. Like. Because. [00:39:51] Speaker C: Because I don't know, from my experience, I guess don't. [00:39:56] Speaker A: Oh, all right. [00:39:58] Speaker B: Generally speaking, you're gonna have a bad time. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Generally don't have heard, but, like, from. Yeah, I'm. From my experience, it does it. She would have done that in that. That the. The whorehouse that he got the suited. The sex worker house that he pulled her out of. [00:40:12] Speaker B: Yeah, but it wouldn't have had the same impact. [00:40:15] Speaker A: Hey, man, I'm here. I'm progressive, gentlemen. [00:40:18] Speaker C: I hate the right wing. Now, the whorehouse. [00:40:22] Speaker A: But, you know, I mean, like, it, like, in, like, it just seemed awfully convenient for a dinosaur. I don't know. [00:40:28] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I agree. I think, you know, for me, it's definitely a 10, eight round. And it's nothing against the folks in Last Blood. They're just given nothing to do. There are. There's a lot of contributions being made by the folks in Terminator Dark Fate, in my opinion, especially Mackenzie Davis and Natalia Reyes. Really doing, doing, doing great stuff. I was a big fan. And Gabriel Luna, he's convincing. You know, there's some parts. Yeah, I hear you, Yoast, but you Know, overall. Overall, a convincing and valid Terminator, in my opinion. All right, let's go to round three. [00:41:02] Speaker C: Now, [00:41:07] Speaker B: In round three, this is where yelling at me, we explore our titular 80s characters, the Terminator and Rambo, and how they have both now decided to live their lives as doomsday preppers. [00:41:20] Speaker A: Interesting. Yeah. [00:41:22] Speaker B: Rambo, he is building tunnels underneath his house, and Arnold is living way off the grid. He has a warehouse full of guns because it's Texas. And there's a bonus here, Both of them have an interesting kind of glory years hobby slash career. Carl is doing drapes, and Rambo is ranching. [00:41:45] Speaker A: Yes. Breaking in horses. [00:41:46] Speaker B: Yes. So I just found it fascinating. [00:41:50] Speaker A: That takes a lot of patience as well. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I just found it fascinating that in both these movies we have doomsday preppers that have this kind of interesting side hobby that is kind of. I mean, drapes as a robot feels very appropriate. Rambo finding peace in breaking horses, like, feels appropriate. [00:42:07] Speaker A: I feel like. I feel. I feel when they were writing the script, they put. Put up his name and a bunch of things he could have been that were kind of funny. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Carl the florist, Carl the draper, they [00:42:16] Speaker A: just, like, just threw a dart at it, like, the drapist. It is. [00:42:21] Speaker B: I thought it was a great joke. [00:42:23] Speaker A: I feel like drapus is just. [00:42:24] Speaker C: We're one ladder away from getting weird. [00:42:26] Speaker A: I'm a full on. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Carl's drapery, I think was the actual term drapery. Carl's drapery is. [00:42:31] Speaker C: You know what's funny? [00:42:31] Speaker B: I don't know how you say that. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Career. [00:42:34] Speaker C: I saw this in the outline you send about the drapes, and I'm again, this is how forgettable this movie was to me. [00:42:41] Speaker A: I'm like, when the. [00:42:42] Speaker C: Did they talk about drapes? [00:42:44] Speaker B: It was on his truck, on his van. [00:42:46] Speaker C: I, again, I probably saw. [00:42:48] Speaker A: And then there was a moment where he was like. Like, they were just bored. It's like a scene where they're just, like, waiting around for the army guy to get there. They're like, well, actually, yeah, but the drapes just get the right color. You don't want to do the thing. I can't do it. [00:42:59] Speaker C: Literally, the grapes in the brain right out immediately for some reason. I don't know why, but. [00:43:04] Speaker A: Yeah, but you say preppers. I mean, they did so, like, you [00:43:08] Speaker C: know, Rambo, they're preppers with hobbies. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Yeah, but Rambo is a prepper, like, by nature. Like, he's a soldier. He's a guerrilla warfare person. And I mean, that goes back to T2, even where Sarah Connor knows all these people where she's a prepper cause she knows the end of the world's coming. So I didn't think it was that far off. [00:43:27] Speaker B: No, I think it totally. The doomsday prepper thing totally makes sense. The, the hobbies is where it's a little bit interesting, but I just find it interesting that both movies kind of did that. I think it's absolutely appropriate for the character. [00:43:39] Speaker A: Can you imagine like just like, you know, either the end is coming or you're just waiting for the end to come. Like do you do white knuckle it or do you like start like crafting? I mean like, do you like. I think you start doing stuff like, like after, like just sitting white knuckled for like a year and a half in your house just being like shit's coming. You're just like, you know what? I, I gotta. [00:43:59] Speaker B: There's only one way and it's forward. [00:44:00] Speaker A: Yeah. I could do some knitting while I'm waiting. Like what do you like to stop being a full on, just dead eyed psycho? Just sitting there waiting for the, all this for the end to come? Like. Yeah. Then when you just pick up, you know, start Macklemore. What is it? Not Macklemore. What's that? Mackle. [00:44:17] Speaker C: Shopping. [00:44:17] Speaker A: They're shopping. Oh yeah. [00:44:19] Speaker C: Well you would be right with the MacLemore. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Anyways, it's just like, I don't know, I could see it. I could see, I could see it. [00:44:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:24] Speaker A: I was, I wasn't surprised by it. [00:44:26] Speaker C: I really think though that in terms of like practical like drapes during like say the apocalypse comes. How important are drapes if the apocalypse comes and you've got ranching abilities? Kind of seems like that's a winning move. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah, well, the other guy's also a [00:44:45] Speaker B: Terminator, so he is a robot. [00:44:48] Speaker A: He's a killing machine. [00:44:49] Speaker C: If we're going to talk about like the execution of their doomsday prepping and their hobbies. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Gotcha. [00:44:53] Speaker C: Are we just going to default because he's a robot? [00:44:55] Speaker A: A little bit. [00:44:56] Speaker B: A little bit. [00:44:57] Speaker A: I mean. And therein lies the problem of the whole franchise. That's what I'm talking about. Like they just like I really. [00:45:03] Speaker C: What are we even doing here? [00:45:04] Speaker A: I don't know. But that's why I liked what Mackenzie came back. Mackenzie Davis, like her character was like an augmented person. Like I was waiting for all these different things. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Augmented. [00:45:13] Speaker A: Augmented. Would I say augmented? [00:45:15] Speaker B: Augmented. [00:45:16] Speaker A: Like it's automated but augmented. It's augmented. Like thank you, I appreciate it. It's Just like, that's something different. It's a little. It's a little different. It's not just like, well, let's do [00:45:28] Speaker C: the same thing too. By the way, I know we're kind of going backwards a little bit. The augmented. Why? [00:45:33] Speaker B: Well, she was going to die, and this was the only way to save her. [00:45:37] Speaker C: Part Robot literally forgot everything with this movie. I don't know why I. Yeah, [00:45:44] Speaker B: yeah. My other point with Rambo, Last Blood, and I'm going to give it the slight edge in this round. [00:45:50] Speaker C: It's because of the tunnels. [00:45:51] Speaker B: It's because of the tunnels and the way that they utilize the doomsday prepping in the story. Like, the tunnels are pretty cool. Like, they party in them at the beginning. It's like a place of lightness, and then it becomes a place of revenge. They actually utilize the tunnels. Like, warehouse full of guns. Like, you could have done something a bit more creative with your doomsday prepping. Like, it's just whatever. The tunnels. The tunnels played a role here. [00:46:15] Speaker A: Oh, he just likes tunnels. [00:46:17] Speaker C: What are you gonna do with the line, though? What? We're in Texas. I mean, what else are you gonna do? [00:46:22] Speaker B: Well, there's a lot of things you could do. You could be a ranch hand in Texas. There's lots of cowboys in Texas. [00:46:28] Speaker C: That's a really good point. [00:46:31] Speaker B: You could have done more with it, is my point. So I am gonna give the slight edge. 10, 9. To Rambo, last Blood in this round. I just. I just like that they have these similarities, these old 80s characters. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Sure. [00:46:43] Speaker B: Doing their thing. [00:46:44] Speaker C: Do you think Arnold and Sly Stallone, like, checked in with each other on that one? Like, do you think. Were there. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah, they were in the Expendables together. They're. [00:46:50] Speaker A: They're. [00:46:51] Speaker C: Right. They're cool with each other. [00:46:52] Speaker B: They're cool with each other. [00:46:53] Speaker A: This another movie or this another podcast? [00:46:55] Speaker C: That's a fair question. [00:46:56] Speaker A: I think there's like, five of them. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Four, I believe. [00:46:59] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. [00:47:00] Speaker B: Too many. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Three too many. [00:47:03] Speaker B: But, yeah, I. I think they kind of. They probably kept up with one another while they were doing this. Like, hey, hey, I'm gonna do Rambo again. We're bringing it back. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Sly's doing tunnels. Do tunnels. [00:47:13] Speaker B: I can't do tunnels. So I got to do the Warehouse with the guns. [00:47:16] Speaker A: I gotta do, like. [00:47:17] Speaker C: You know what? [00:47:17] Speaker B: I'm not gonna do an Arnold voice. [00:47:20] Speaker C: I'm just. [00:47:20] Speaker A: I can't do it. [00:47:21] Speaker B: Fair point. [00:47:22] Speaker C: I just wanted to say. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Oh, Sly likes the balls. Go to the balls. [00:47:25] Speaker B: All right, so I got this. 10, 9, beam, how are you scoring this one? [00:47:29] Speaker C: I appreciate how you tried to bring that back, you know. [00:47:31] Speaker A: You know what story I'm talking about. [00:47:32] Speaker C: No, I didn't. I'm going to be honest. Like, same with how I watch Terminator Dark Fate. Just. [00:47:38] Speaker A: I don't. [00:47:38] Speaker C: I tuned out, apparently. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Do you tune out with your children? Talk to you? [00:47:42] Speaker C: Nope. Anyway, I think, you know, because of the tunnels, I'm giving it a 10, 8 to Rambo. [00:47:53] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:54] Speaker C: I mean, those tunnels are dope. And what he does with the tunnels, I'm talking like a medieval Home Alone attack. It was amazing using boards with nails attached to them and just having them swing and hitting people right in the dick. I'm here for it. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that was my favorite part of the movie, actually. [00:48:09] Speaker C: I mean, again, the heart part. Like so. I think so brutal too. [00:48:14] Speaker A: He's blowing people's fucking heads off with just one shot of a shotgun. I was like, oh, dude, it was. Fuck yeah, dude. So are their heads made of water balloons? What the fuck is happening right now? [00:48:22] Speaker C: I almost saw. [00:48:23] Speaker A: Have you shot someone in the head with a fucking shotgun? They don't explode like that. [00:48:26] Speaker B: I don't think I'd be sitting here if. If I had, man. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Well, they certainly pop like little grapes. I'll tell you what. [00:48:32] Speaker B: So beam's going 10, 8 yos, what's your score for this round? [00:48:36] Speaker A: I'll go. I'll go 109 to. To Rambo for sure. A big, like, literally, like I. I fast forwarded through most of that movie. I mean, on and off. And then when that, when, when the fight came. [00:48:45] Speaker C: You missed the best parts, I guess. [00:48:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, No, I don't think I did. Oh, no. And I got to the tunnel thing and I was like, yeah, we're in. We're in for the. We're in for this for sure. So. Big fan. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I like how they actually utilized it as a plot point. [00:49:00] Speaker C: They set it up. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Yeah, they set it up real hard from. From the very, very beginning. [00:49:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's like the reverse of that is Dark Fate where they. I feel like that script was like. And then. And like. And then. And then they go to an airstrip and then what do they do? And then they fly in the air. And then what happens? And then a fucking Terminator comes out. It's like, what the. [00:49:18] Speaker C: This is like your toddler telling you. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally, like, like brought to the ground by a three year old. And then the Terminator got the plane in the air and then they went down into the dam. And then the Terminator got out of the water and he could, like, he was like, what the fuck is happening? At least even knowing in the first 15 minutes that there was going to be a giant fight in that tunnel scene, I was, like, there for it. I was like, all right, I definitely want to see you just destroy, like, again. Just pop little heads. [00:49:46] Speaker C: Just pop again. I understand the. The very clear right wing overtones, far right overtones of it with the border. But, you know, in that moment, I guess I let all my inhibitions go and said, you know, get him, Sly. Like, get. [00:50:08] Speaker A: Get after they're on his land. [00:50:11] Speaker C: Exactly, exactly. [00:50:12] Speaker B: You must protect your house. [00:50:14] Speaker A: I mean, they did show up with assault rifles. I mean, like, like, that was what [00:50:18] Speaker C: was running through my head the entire, you know. Yeah, protect this land. All right, yeah, fuck them. They killed your. Your niece. [00:50:24] Speaker A: I will. I will say that I'm a little disappointed there wasn't some sort of like. Well, I guess it's the, you know, the. It's very Back to the Rainbow. Like, they didn't, like, come up and, like, try to talk to him. They just kind of came in and he just. He just. It started really quickly. I was like, oh, he's just. He's getting right into it. He's. He's blown up several SUVs. This is happening right now. Like, it was no. There was no, like, I'm gonna get you, Rambo. It was just like, nope, they're coming. It's happening. [00:50:48] Speaker B: All right, let's go to round four. In round four, we are going to go for another franchise revival. Hallmark. [00:50:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:59] Speaker B: In any franchise revival, you must modernize the franchise to reflect the times both of these movies did so by including the Mexican border as a key piece of the storyline. [00:51:13] Speaker A: They shouldn't have. [00:51:13] Speaker C: Oh, didn't we. We talked about that, right? [00:51:16] Speaker A: Ish. [00:51:17] Speaker B: Well, we've touched on it. [00:51:19] Speaker A: It's hard not to. It's literally in its DNA. For both films. [00:51:22] Speaker B: In Rambo Last Blood, the use of the Mexican border plays out like a right wing extremist sweat dream. As we have said, they kidnapped and stole our women. So now we lure them back to our side of the border and we protect our soil. You very much. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. [00:51:42] Speaker B: And in Terminator Dark Fate, the heroic team encounters some significant difficulties trying to get across the Mexican border right back into America. And they get held at a detention center, which leads to some shit going down with the Terminator in a very brutal scene. [00:52:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:52:01] Speaker C: Yeah, it's supposed to be hard. [00:52:03] Speaker B: So they. They include in 2019. They include a lot of storylines about the Mexican border. That is a way to modernize the franchise for the times. Another thing that they do is they introduce a lot of female characters. Now, that's always been a thing for Terminator. You have Sarah Connor, legendary female character. But in this, you get Dani Ramos. She is now the leader of the revolution. It's not just the mother giving birth to the leader of the revolution. Now it's actually a woman. You have Mackenzie Davis, the first female kind of robot to be strongly centered in this. So that's another way you can modernize the film. [00:52:39] Speaker A: But when you say modernized, we didn't think this way back in the day, is what you're saying. [00:52:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't have. [00:52:44] Speaker C: I don't know about Rambo. That one feels a little. [00:52:47] Speaker B: Well, Rambo still included female characters. It's just what they did with them. One was literally just. [00:52:54] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:52:55] Speaker B: I mean, one was kidnapped, raped, and killed. And that was her only job in the movie. And the other one was just there to nurse Rambo back to hell. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Well, you know, not very effective. Also not. Not great. So. [00:53:06] Speaker A: And they're also good for having sex with. Have I heard, like, that's what I've heard. [00:53:10] Speaker B: Apparently, that's what we do. [00:53:12] Speaker A: No, it's just like, yeah, no, it's not good. [00:53:14] Speaker B: No. Rambo has a very limited understanding of that. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Well. And on that point, I would actually say that Rambo was very strange for me, because it seemed like, at least in Dark Fate, they're like, we. It's gonna. It's tough to get across the border. We're gonna have to do this kind of thing. And Rambo just travels, I guess, across the border with a severed head. He just chucks out of his car. Like, I'm like, Like, why did you just chuck it out in the middle of, like, the desert? Like. Like, so that feels like. [00:53:42] Speaker C: Watch this together. And I think he can attest to it. I was like, yes. [00:53:45] Speaker A: I mean, like, yes, I'm sure. I. I'm. Well, I'm not sure, but I'm. I'm. I'm fairly. I'm willing to bet that it's. It's probably. If you need to get across the border and you have the means to do it, it's probably a lot easier than most of us think because it's a very long border. It's a very. Like. I'm sure there's people that can get, like. Get you what you need. I'm sure there's People in this world that can get you things. [00:54:09] Speaker B: It also felt like Rambo's view of the border was again, very right wing. Like the shots of the border, like it was a barbed wire fence at one point, right? [00:54:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:18] Speaker B: It's just shots of like shoddily built walls. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Right. [00:54:21] Speaker C: I thought one of them. Whereas like Terminator you put up in your backyard, it'd be protect the dog [00:54:25] Speaker B: from getting literally like. That's what their representation of the border was. Like Terminator. It was difficult. And how many led to some like [00:54:32] Speaker C: that, that just look like that? [00:54:34] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:54:35] Speaker B: I haven't really explored the whole. [00:54:37] Speaker A: Yeah, but from Mexican American, what I've read, it will be sections that are like a fortress. There'll be sections that are like. You just walk over. There's like sections that are just. The river is the. Is the. [00:54:49] Speaker B: Is the border. Yeah. The Rio Grande in Texas. Yeah. [00:54:51] Speaker A: So I'm. I. And it's funny that the amount of people. And we're gonna. I'm gonna go real quick off the topic here that people that I know that talk about the border and the walls we gotta build without fully ever understanding or being there to like, see the landscape and what is going on. So it's like. I mean, like, how do you fucking know? That's what I'm saying. I'm speculating from what I read, but I'm sure there's ways to get across it that are a lot easier than we think. I mean, that's what borders are about. I'm sure there's a lot of ways to get across into Canada that are a lot easier than we think. But I just love the fact that [00:55:24] Speaker C: like, specific border crossing sometimes where. Going into Canada where there's literally just like no one there, no one there. You literally just drive right through. Yeah. So. [00:55:32] Speaker A: Yes, but. But then you have this. That's. I guess I'll just keep coming back to it. It's like the scene where he goes back to like, really taunt him into like, coming after his shit. And he like cuts this dude's head off and he waits to toss it out. So he's gone down in his truck and he's come back with a severed human head. I'm sure he didn't go through a checkpoint. And also then he tosses it and it's very wet. Like, I don't know. Like, again, I've never severed too many heads in my life or carried them around for long periods of time. But I'm assuming that once you sever the head it's not real juicy. Like after three hours of traveling through the Mexican countryside, getting over the border illegally and then tossing the hot vehicle, tossing it from your car. I'm sure it's that like, oh, yeah, [00:56:16] Speaker C: severed head started to sweat. [00:56:17] Speaker A: Because it's not like a sack of Jersey tomatoes. Like, the fucking thing is probably like, I don't know, just like. I get it. But come on, man, little realism for me, man. [00:56:25] Speaker B: A little bit. [00:56:27] Speaker C: I like to suspend my disbelief in both films. [00:56:29] Speaker A: I mean, you have to really, most. [00:56:31] Speaker B: You must. [00:56:32] Speaker C: I mean, it's. When was the part where he literally ran over that tiny little fence? Was it when he was super injured or was it after the head? [00:56:40] Speaker B: No, it was after the head. He just drove through a barbed wire fence. That was a piece of shit. Like, it was just like dropped the [00:56:46] Speaker C: head on the weight to the border. Or was that. [00:56:49] Speaker B: It was once he crossed. [00:56:50] Speaker C: He was on the way. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Oh, it was before he crossed. [00:56:53] Speaker C: I think it was before he crossed. [00:56:54] Speaker A: Oh, well, then that just takes my whole thesis and blows it out the water. [00:56:56] Speaker C: I didn't want to say anything, so I let you. [00:56:58] Speaker A: But still it was the next day. Like, there's no way that head's just juicy. I don't. [00:57:02] Speaker B: Like, I'm. So there's no way that that's what you're caught up on. [00:57:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a sloppy little head. [00:57:05] Speaker C: I don't know if he did it at the border and I don't know how far away he was from the compound or whatever it is. Who says that guy wasn't sweating that moment? That's true, but. Okay, so if we're going to get wrapped up on that one, [00:57:19] Speaker A: let's go do some research. We're in a neighborhood. Let's go find a person, a neighborhood. [00:57:25] Speaker C: I don't know. I'm still like getting caught up with the fact that you're like, no, a head doesn't explode like a water balloon. As if, like, I have firsthand experience. How many heads have you shot off with a shotgun? [00:57:37] Speaker A: Well, I mean, actually, I've shot a few. Like zombie. Like the, the, the. Like the, the fake heads that like, you shoot at. [00:57:44] Speaker C: Okay. [00:57:45] Speaker A: I've shot a few of those. Like, they're supposed to be like what an actual head does. [00:57:48] Speaker C: No, I just wanted. [00:57:49] Speaker A: And like a, like a, like a topic. Like a 12 gauge. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Like, what's your background on shooting heads? [00:57:55] Speaker A: That's my background. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Zero background. [00:57:57] Speaker A: I've shot 12 gauge slugs and buckshot into fake zombie round heads and shooting range. And like, I don't know, just like, they just. They were just like, kind of, like, aggressively blown into, like. I mean, it's always fun. I mean, I'm assuming they did it for fun, but it was just like, they literally just. Their heads will pop every time you shot them. You know what I'm talking about, right? Like. [00:58:20] Speaker C: Well, in terms of. [00:58:20] Speaker B: No, I don't. [00:58:21] Speaker A: You didn't see the movie? Like. [00:58:22] Speaker B: Yeah, no, in the movie, I know [00:58:24] Speaker A: what you're talking about. Yeah, like in the. In the. In the. On the range and stuff, like, it hurt it. But they don't just disintegrate. They don't turn to, like, pink mist. Well, in terms of the shotguns, in [00:58:33] Speaker B: terms of the border, [00:58:35] Speaker C: bringing it back [00:58:36] Speaker B: to the point at hand. [00:58:38] Speaker A: What was that? [00:58:39] Speaker C: I would. I guess my other question, too, is that after he knocked that part of the fence down, is that what the caravan of bad guys used cartel to get through? Did they go through there or did they have another part of the fence? [00:58:50] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:50] Speaker C: Like our spot. [00:58:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:58:52] Speaker A: And so the niggas showed up. [00:58:53] Speaker C: Did they just. I think. I think a scene that may have been left on the cutter room floor was them waiting to go through customs. [00:59:00] Speaker B: I don't think they got through customs. I wanted that arsenal that they were killing. [00:59:04] Speaker A: How are we doing today? See you're all dressed in Camo gear and AK47s. Where are you coming in the country. [00:59:11] Speaker C: All right, come through, Come through. [00:59:12] Speaker B: Yeah, you can. Come on here. [00:59:14] Speaker A: Was dying and this is a quick aside. Now we're getting off topic. Sure. Yeah. [00:59:17] Speaker C: We haven't done that yet with you at all. [00:59:19] Speaker A: No. Is the montage. The montages in that fucking movie? That's a ten out of nine for. Towards. Towards Rambo. If we're doing montages. [00:59:28] Speaker C: Nine around. [00:59:28] Speaker A: Ah, fucking. Because holy shit. Just like he is. He's always getting it. Now he's getting into it. Oh, he's still preparing. Oh, he is now he is preparing. And it's happening like. Like, holy shit. I just wanted to like it. Just stop. [00:59:40] Speaker C: Oh, look, he made a necklace. [00:59:41] Speaker B: So the border. [00:59:42] Speaker C: But anyways. The border. Jesus Christ. The border. I mean, yeah, it just seemed like the concept of the border in Rambo was a bit. What's the word I'm looking for? Unrealistic? [00:59:57] Speaker A: Non existent. [00:59:58] Speaker C: And it's. And its use seemed a little. It's got some holes. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Literal and figurative. [01:00:05] Speaker C: Not meant to be a pun, but yeah, it feels like it had some holes in it. Whereas I think in Terminator it was used as a vehicle for a very. Dope fight scene. Except for where it's like, I don't understand why we got to kill all these people in a detention center. Rev 9. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Rev 9 was really just mowing down innocents all over the place. [01:00:23] Speaker C: It wasn't nice. [01:00:24] Speaker B: Again, not super cool. [01:00:25] Speaker A: I'll bring you back to. [01:00:27] Speaker C: But it looked cool. Wait, it did look cool. Yoast, I have a really quick question for you. Just because of your background with shotguns and heads, when a. When a. When, when, when, when. When a. Rev 9. I don't know if you know what Rev 9 is, but if. When they are able to form their. Their arms into giant knives, how is that supposed to look when they slice and dice people? [01:00:47] Speaker A: I'm assuming very clean and precise. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Very clean cuts. [01:00:52] Speaker C: So how would you rate the execution of the cuts in Terminator, Dark Fate? All right, so, I mean, you don't have to answer that question. [01:01:02] Speaker A: It's fine. I mean, yeah, it actually felt. I don't know. [01:01:05] Speaker C: Do you think they were good? Was it too messy? It felt messy in there. It felt like the detention center got a little messy. [01:01:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Like cut, but also a little ripping, a little tearing. [01:01:18] Speaker C: I think we need to move off this. [01:01:19] Speaker B: Yes, we do. We need to score this round and move to our final round. I'm going 10 7. Terminator, Dark Fate. [01:01:25] Speaker C: 10 7. [01:01:26] Speaker B: I'm deducting a point for the right wing extremism of this viewpoint. [01:01:30] Speaker C: Fair point deduction, I think. So wherein did we have that in the bylaw? [01:01:35] Speaker B: 10, 8. [01:01:36] Speaker A: This is the. [01:01:36] Speaker C: I'm not saying I'm trying to stick up for the right wing. [01:01:38] Speaker A: Oh, the new. The new. [01:01:40] Speaker B: There's rules 108 for the modernization of it. Because Rambo just has a very limited viewpoint of the Mexican border, which it employs as a heavy piece of its storyline. [01:01:51] Speaker C: And also, we didn't touch on as much as a little bit on the. The use of female characters very much so Storylines in that regard felt a little dated. I don't think there was a modernization that came there at all. I think they're like, look, we have women. [01:02:04] Speaker B: There's women in this movie. We did. Good job. [01:02:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:06] Speaker B: Except not. [01:02:07] Speaker C: Yep. So, yeah, it's feels like an obvious one for terminator. [01:02:12] Speaker B: Yep. [01:02:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:13] Speaker B: 10 8. [01:02:13] Speaker A: So like, 10, 8. [01:02:15] Speaker C: I would give it 108 as well. [01:02:17] Speaker A: I'm still learning about all this. So I can't do like a 9 8. [01:02:21] Speaker C: You can. Why? What are you gonna deduct from Terminator? [01:02:23] Speaker A: I mean, all of it should just. It should be just seven, seven. Really? [01:02:28] Speaker C: You think it's a tie? [01:02:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a tie of how shitty of all that new. Like it was. It was. [01:02:33] Speaker B: Wait. Terminator. Dark Fate uses the Mexican border to set up a dope scene in that detention center. Like, showed that it's difficult at times to get across the border. The female characters are strong. What are you talking about? [01:02:44] Speaker A: Seven. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Seven, please. All right, don't bring that here. [01:02:47] Speaker A: Oh, man. I'm getting bullied, right? [01:02:48] Speaker B: Oh, you're not getting bullied. You're just making bad points. I don't know what to tell you. [01:02:54] Speaker A: I think I did. [01:02:55] Speaker C: I didn't know that was possible. [01:02:55] Speaker A: I'm just trying to figure out. Exactly. All right, so. All right, then. 10, 8. [01:02:59] Speaker B: 10, 8. Okay. [01:03:00] Speaker C: 4. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Terminator, to be clear. [01:03:01] Speaker A: All right. [01:03:02] Speaker C: That felt mature. I think you did it. I think you turned it around. [01:03:05] Speaker B: All right, so our final round Now, [01:03:08] Speaker C: I feel like you seem hurt. You seem wounded after that. Who, me? Do you and Cory need to talk about it? [01:03:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you want to hug it out real quick? [01:03:14] Speaker A: No, I just. No, I get what you're saying. I guess I just don't understand the. [01:03:18] Speaker B: You still don't understand a score? [01:03:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Sorry. They're arbitrary numbers to me, so I'm like, yeah, I get it. [01:03:23] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. In the final round, our heroes lure the big bad into a kill box of sorts. [01:03:34] Speaker C: I mean, is this much of a discussion? We. [01:03:37] Speaker B: We need to have the discussion. But we all know I know where I'm gonna score this. We're very much gonna know where you score this. [01:03:44] Speaker A: You know what? Kill boxes. [01:03:45] Speaker B: So in Rambo last blood off, but [01:03:47] Speaker A: you don't want to kill boxes. [01:03:49] Speaker B: Rambo booby traps the tunnels at the house with some kind of right wing home alone situation that he has going on. I did respect the way that right wing. But it's. But it's. It's home alone for, you know, doomsday preppers. Sorry. [01:04:05] Speaker C: What do you. What is it about putting nails in a board where it swings down and hits people? [01:04:09] Speaker B: It's just more about people that have tunnels underneath their home. I don't imagine many liberals having politics [01:04:16] Speaker C: of it and just be like, all right, well done. [01:04:17] Speaker B: He home alone, the shit out of his tunnels. And it was really well done. [01:04:20] Speaker A: Yeah, the tunnels were great. I mean, how he got people there, a little suspect. [01:04:24] Speaker C: Suspect, fine. If we're going to have to talk about how he lured them in, Whatever. [01:04:28] Speaker B: All right. And then Terminator, Dark Fate. I got to be honest, I watched this movie three times now. I'm still. Really? Yeah. I watched it once in the theater. I rewatched the whole Terminator franchise during COVID because I was stuck at home being bored. And then I rewatched it for this. So three times. I watched three times. I still don't really understand the plan because it goes on for like 45 fucking minutes. It changes like nine different times because nothing ever goes right. It's like the kid and then thing that you said. Like they really didn't have a well formulated plan and I still don't understand it. Suffice it to say they end up at the Hoover Dam and. [01:05:05] Speaker A: And then they end up at the [01:05:06] Speaker B: Hoover Dam and then all the robots sacrifice themselves so that Dani Ramos can live and fulfill her destiny. [01:05:12] Speaker A: Yep. [01:05:14] Speaker B: For me this is like all Rambo last blood, the, the booby trap tunnels. And then he tells the guy that he's going to rip his heart out. And then he does it. [01:05:26] Speaker A: And it's excellent actually. [01:05:28] Speaker B: Terminator Dark Fate. The ending to me is a mess. Like, I actually really like the first hour of that movie. The second hour is just a disaster zone. [01:05:35] Speaker C: Dude, it ended. [01:05:35] Speaker B: And it's largely that the end, that end scene which goes on for way [01:05:39] Speaker A: too long, just sucks. [01:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's terrible third act. But the first two acts I quite like. But for this, for me it's Rambo all day because he rips someone's heart out. He booby traps the tunnels. And it's a quick, efficient, like it's 20 minute sequence. It kicks ass for the whole time. Terminator Dark fate is like 45 minutes. It meanders all over the place. It's kind of a mess. [01:06:00] Speaker A: I mean there's some cool stuff happen. Yeah, because they're like, like, oh, look at the EMP is all up. And you're like, that's terrible, Arnold. Hey everybody. [01:06:12] Speaker C: Yeah, you need a permit. [01:06:13] Speaker A: The frog. And then the term is like, we have 15 chance of living. She's like, well, that's zero. That's not zero. And you're like, oh, now you just started to the and ends. And like, like I just feel like someone fell asleep halfway making that script. They're just like, listen, the coke is wearing off. I'm really tired. It's 4am this is due in two hours. I know. [01:06:34] Speaker B: I got to do something. [01:06:35] Speaker A: I got to do something. I just wrote myself in a corner. Goddamn cocaine is so good. Holy. I've ripped myself too much in a corner. The MP is dead. What do I do? And then we got the ending of [01:06:44] Speaker B: that and then we're in the Hoover Dam. [01:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah, for some reason. And how the fuck they hit the Hoover Dam? Like. Yes, but. Yeah, yeah, but then with Last Blood at least there was. [01:06:54] Speaker B: It was a good ending. Like I, I hate a lot about that movie, but the ending sequence is good. Like objectively speaking, I. I enjoy the ending of that movie. [01:07:02] Speaker C: I think, I think it's a good [01:07:03] Speaker A: send off for Rambo. [01:07:04] Speaker C: I think you just said something, Corey, that it just feels like how both of these movies possibly here are emblematic of, you know, Terminator being the more left where it's ending this wandering meandering mess. And then there's the right wing, which is Rambo where he looks at a man and says, I'm gonna rip your heart out and show it to you. And then he does it. Promises made, promises kept. I am just saying. I think that's just. [01:07:40] Speaker A: Is Joe Rogan. [01:07:42] Speaker B: When did up Jordan Shapiro show up in this podcast studio? [01:07:45] Speaker C: Channeled my inner. Like Tim Pool or like any of. [01:07:49] Speaker B: Yeah, you channeled something. [01:07:50] Speaker C: I just. That was weird. I. Anyway, so I'm gonna give it to Rambo. [01:07:54] Speaker A: Blacked out. I blacked out. [01:07:55] Speaker C: I did too doing it. It was. I don't know, it slipped into my mind and I just had to do it. But no, I gotta give it to Rambo. I mean that. It's the tunnels. You just knew that this guy you knew at the beginning of the movie. You're like, these tunnels are going to be something. And then they absolutely are. It just delivers in so many ways. And you know, or they. [01:08:16] Speaker A: Or they. Were they also on cocaine? They're just like takes place in Arizona and they're like, not the jungle, like. No, no, jungle. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Desert. [01:08:24] Speaker A: Desert. All right, now what do we do? Where is he at? Was he in the. He's in the hills. No, no, he's. [01:08:29] Speaker C: I feel like in Arizona. [01:08:30] Speaker A: Yep. [01:08:31] Speaker C: I feel like in Arizona we're doing meth. I mean, I feel like if we're going to be. If we're going to be specific to the locale. [01:08:37] Speaker B: To the locale. [01:08:38] Speaker C: No, I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it a 108 Rambo. [01:08:41] Speaker B: I'll go 108 Rambo as well. [01:08:43] Speaker C: Those, those tunnels, man. Really? Really like that secret weapon form. [01:08:48] Speaker B: Absolutely. What's your score for this finale? [01:08:50] Speaker A: I gotta go. I gotta go 10, 7 actually, because I cannot stand. I cannot stand when people are like, like when movies literally just like they've gotten you to a point and they're like phone it in. Like we're just. I don't give a. And Then, and then like it literally just all I hear when I'm watching it is that scene in Dude Wears my car and it's like. And then. And like, like at the, at the drive thru. And it's [01:09:16] Speaker B: the way the end is [01:09:17] Speaker C: simply for just not caring. [01:09:19] Speaker A: Just. Oh yeah, just, just like. Well, we're having a fight scene. [01:09:21] Speaker B: Isn't it cool for there's a fight. It's long people like long disasters. [01:09:27] Speaker C: Have you seen Heat? [01:09:28] Speaker A: It falls apart. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Heat's dope. [01:09:29] Speaker A: Heat's r. The funny thing is the beginning of Rambo Last Blood is, is just a hot mess. And then finally like they all come to fight. But like the whole story to get him there is just unnecessary. [01:09:40] Speaker B: It's terrible. It's got all sorts of holds. But the ending is cool. Objectively speaking. If you could just cut the last 15 minutes without all the rest. [01:09:48] Speaker A: Like, like somehow we should splice together and release it with this episode. You put the first 2 2/3 of the Dark fate together and then without letting anyone know, you just cut straight to Rambo Last Blood without any explanation. All right, cool. This is, this is finally a folded film I like. [01:10:07] Speaker C: Yeah, because you don't know, you're like. You don't know what the background as to why these people cross the Mexican. [01:10:12] Speaker A: Just dub in Arnold's voice over slies, you're fine. [01:10:15] Speaker C: Or wait, no hun, are we talking about like should we cut off Terminator at the detention center? [01:10:20] Speaker B: Yes. And then what's right after the detention center? [01:10:22] Speaker C: Cuz if we just. If we see them across the board, then we're still like. [01:10:26] Speaker A: Then all of a sudden they're at compound and John Rambo is getting ready, [01:10:30] Speaker B: is booby trapping the tunnels. [01:10:32] Speaker A: And I also want to make sure that everyone knows that. I love the montage. The montages were solid, but my God, did they go on forever. [01:10:39] Speaker B: The trauma montage of his past memories and scenes from previous movies, I could do without that. But the montage of him setting up the tunnel's dope. [01:10:48] Speaker C: Well, speaking of going on forever, I think we kind of. [01:10:50] Speaker A: Can I urinate before you do the whole landing? [01:10:52] Speaker B: Yeah, we are going to. [01:10:54] Speaker C: I was trying to stick the landing to get into that yos. Thanks for, for doing that. [01:10:58] Speaker B: So we are going. [01:10:59] Speaker A: I don't want to be distracted. [01:11:00] Speaker C: No, no, no, no. I know, it's, it's, it's fine. So anyways, I think what we're going to do is take a second and tally up the points and. John, do you have to pee? [01:11:08] Speaker A: No. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Okay, We're Going to take a quick break, tally up these scores, and then we'll be back with the ending. [01:11:13] Speaker A: Yes. [01:11:20] Speaker B: All right, so we've taken the time to tabulate the scores, and Beam is back as the ring announcer to announce the winner of this bout. [01:11:28] Speaker C: Ladies and gentlemen, after five rounds, we go to the judges scorecards for decision. The Judges scored the contest. 47, 45, 46, 45 4, and 46, 44 for your winner and new champion of the movie, where an old dude revives an action film franchise from the 80s and makes it all about the US Mexican border. Terminator Dark Fate. [01:11:57] Speaker A: Nice. [01:11:58] Speaker B: Nailed it. [01:11:58] Speaker C: Still don't like doing this on camera. [01:12:02] Speaker B: You did great. You nailed it. [01:12:05] Speaker C: I'm going back to hiding. [01:12:08] Speaker B: There you have it. [01:12:09] Speaker A: We're gonna talks or something next time. [01:12:11] Speaker B: There you have it, folks. Terminator Dark Fate has won. Before we get out of here, we have to thank some people. First of all, thank you, John Yost, for joining us and being the third guest on this podcast. We'd also like to thank Alec Lewis, our audio engineer, Nick Beige for his video production on this episode, and Noah Scannel for being the best boy and for his production supervision. [01:12:35] Speaker C: And we also got to give a gigantic thank you to the Jivehive for allowing us to use this wonderful studio and also with the production of the podcast. And finally, we also need to thank our presenting sponsor, Metroland. [01:12:49] Speaker B: Now, yes, we are a part of the Metroland Podcast network. To learn more, head over to metrolandnow.com or you can follow Metroland on Instagram or Facebook. [01:13:00] Speaker C: And to see what's happening, you can follow. Well, I. We didn't make a pod. We didn't make an account of any sort for this podcast in particular, but you can follow me at Beam O. [01:13:13] Speaker B: You can follow me at Bed Stuy Bear. So with an underscore in there, I [01:13:18] Speaker C: have to assume we're gonna post information about when the episodes air and what they are even. Yeah. [01:13:23] Speaker B: And you can at us on there if you have comments or responses. [01:13:27] Speaker A: Do you want to at me at anything? No, no. You. Do you have anything Fifth Column features? [01:13:32] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, no, that's what you should have plugged in the part. [01:13:35] Speaker A: Oh, hey, John, what do you want to plug? Well, I didn't know we could do that. An APB film collective. So wonderful. [01:13:43] Speaker B: All right, we're gonna get out of here. Thanks, everybody, for listening. Thank you, Yoast. Thank you, folks. At the Jive Hive, we are.