Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:10] Speaker B: And welcome to episode five of oh, Real Original. I'm Cory Dempsey.
[00:00:14] Speaker A: Now I'm Andrew Bean. Oreal Original is a podcast where we're going to take two movies that have basically the same premise that came out within 12 months of each other, so not in the same calendar year, and we're just going to see which one is better.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: That's right. We are going to be exploring these films through the lens of a fight. Boxing, mma, whatever your violent sport of choice is. Two movies will enter the ring, but only one can emerge victorious. Victorious. There will be no ties here.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: So kind of like an MMA fight. We're going to score it through, I guess, a championship MMA fight. It's going to be scored by five rounds, and each round will be scored out of 10 points.
The first round, we're going to kind of focus always on the talent involved, basically, the actors, the writers, directors, you name it, pit them against each other and just kind of see which one is better. And then for each round, we're also going to cover where they have similar plot points and see which ones are better of those.
[00:01:09] Speaker B: And on these episodes, we always invite a local artist to come on and join us. This week, the local artist is Nate Como, lead singer of Not Chinese Takeout.
[00:01:18] Speaker C: Nate, how we doing, dude, we're doing real good. How are y' all doing?
[00:01:22] Speaker A: I mean, pretty good. Pretty good. I don't know. Real good is, like. It's really looking up where, like, I am.
I can't get that good, dude.
[00:01:30] Speaker C: Well, speaking of that good. You guys were way better than that good the other night. And I mean that in a musical sense.
[00:01:37] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I don't know when this necessarily gets released. We won't even say what today's date is, so thank you.
[00:01:43] Speaker C: Gotcha. Yeah, no worries. Just want to let you know.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: No, thank you.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: I want to let everyone know every time we perform live. It's that good.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: No one even knows that we perform live. That is discussed.
[00:01:53] Speaker C: You are something.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: I am an MMA fan.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah, you are also, right.
[00:01:57] Speaker C: Oh, dude. Yeah, I tried. I trained since I was, like, 18.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: Oh, no shit. Right on.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Whenever we hang out, I just see you airboxing Shadow Box.
[00:02:05] Speaker C: Yeah, well, fight off the demons.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Fighting off. Yeah. Like, actually physically fighting.
[00:02:09] Speaker C: I can see him.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
There we go.
[00:02:12] Speaker B: Are they present right now?
[00:02:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
Are they with you? Are they right here?
[00:02:18] Speaker B: Are they here on the couch?
I don't think so. All right, good. We're clear.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: So at least, though, unlike a few of our guests, and this isn't throwing Shade at anyone. Tigerpaw. But like I believe, I don't know if we're going to have actually released his episode at that point. I don't know the order.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: Not important.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it's not important.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: Some of our guests do not understand the scoring system. But you will.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: You do so you actually know. We don't have to explain it to you. That is a load off our backs.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Yes, wonderful.
[00:02:45] Speaker C: Well, okay, never mind.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Not to throw shade at the rest of you.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: The rest of our guests are wonderful and it's funny, but we won't have to worry about that this time. With all of that out of the way, we are going to introduce these two movies Pulling double duty. Beam is both a judge and he is the ring announcer for tonight's battle beam.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Take it away, ladies and gentlemen. This is the only event of the evening sanctioned by absolutely no one. Our three judges scoring the contest this evening are the Corey Dempsey, Andrew Beem and Nate Como. There is no referee because we just can't afford them.
And now for those in attendance and the one or two people listening around the capital region, ladies and gentlemen, this is the moment you've all been waiting for live, but not at all because we are recording this and releasing it later. But we're recording from the jiveive in Albany.
It's time five rounds for the best movie where kids get involved with the MLB unexpectedly introducing first, a film where a kid slips on a baseball while trying to impress a girl. Breaks his arm, but develops the ability to throw an absurd fastball and becomes a member of the Chicago Cubs. Rookie of the Year.
And their opponent, a film involving sheer nepotism where a kid's grandfather dies and he becomes the owner and manager of the Minnesota Twins.
Little Big League.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Excellent descriptions. Once again, Beam. Great job.
[00:04:24] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: All right, so before we get to these rounds, I have some facts and figures for you both.
The first is Rookie of the Year. It was released on July 7, 1993 by 20th Century Fox. It is directed by Daniel Stern, written by Sam Harper, shot by Jack Green with music by Bill Conti. It made $53.7 million at the international box office on a budget of 12 million. Successful film, not bad. Not bad at all.
Little Big League, also made on a budget of $12 million. Similar.
It was released on July 29, 1994. Different years, but same 12 month period. So it does apply. It was released by Columbia Pictures, directed by Andrew Scheinman, written by Gregory K. Pincus, shot by Daniel Thorin with music by Stanley Clark. It only made $20 million or. Sorry, it made.
This is all fucked up.
It made $12 million at the international box office on a budget of 20 million.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: I like it. It made even on Rookie of the year's budget.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: Yes, it did. It cut even on Rookie of the year's budget. This was not a successful movie at the time.
[00:05:36] Speaker A: Even with Ken Griffey Jr. Dude.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Even with all these great baseball kids. Wild, right?
[00:05:41] Speaker A: Randy Johnson, dude.
[00:05:43] Speaker C: He was looking intimidating in that movie, dude.
[00:05:45] Speaker A: He was. He looked like he wanted to kill a pigeon, dude.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So with that at the time, not a successful movie. Rookie of the Year definitely the one that I saw most when I was a kid. Most I was familiar with.
[00:06:00] Speaker A: I can't remember seeing Little Big League when I was a kid.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: I saw it definitely on home video after the fact. I had it on one of. Yeah, it was up. It was a pirated vhs. I taped it from Blockbuster.
You were not alive when these movies came out.
We were like six or seven.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: What's. What's your relationship with these movies?
[00:06:21] Speaker C: Well, I was born in 1996. Very good year.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: Showing your age. Yeah, it was actually a good year. 96 was kind of cool.
[00:06:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't remember it, but I was alive. You know, I birthed at that time and I'm happy to be here now. So I guess it would account. But baseball was like my first sport.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:41] Speaker C: You know, I.
I don't even know when Little League started. I.
Single digits.
T ball.
[00:06:49] Speaker B: T ball's like age of four.
[00:06:51] Speaker C: Yeah. T ball, man. And I. I remember the days from. From T ball playing like third and first.
And then as I got older and like, you know, came into like my athletic form, the coaches were like, you know, this kid's like kind of fast and you know, like, I was the only.
But I'm one of the darkest ones. And I'm really not that dark if you can't see me right now. But I was, I was pretty quick
[00:07:19] Speaker A: video so people could look. They could be like, what's he talking
[00:07:22] Speaker C: about with these lights? I'm probably the same tint as. As Andrew and Corey.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: Definitely Very Okay.
[00:07:31] Speaker C: You know.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So I, I. Baseball is my first. First love. My grandfather's a Yankees fan. So growing up, it was the only thing that I really knew was baseball and these movies I saw when I was younger. At first they were just the only two baseball movies I even knew existed. So.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: So this is an important question too, because I'm joking now. At this same time, 93 and 94 there are a litany of baseball movies that all come out the sandlot.
[00:08:00] Speaker C: Sandlot. Rookie of the Year, dude.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: Little Big League, Angels in the Outfield.
[00:08:05] Speaker C: Oh, my God.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: All four of these are within the same two year period.
[00:08:09] Speaker C: Okay, I've seen all of those.
[00:08:09] Speaker B: All right.
[00:08:10] Speaker C: Seen all of those.
[00:08:10] Speaker B: So this is important.
We need to power rank these baseball movies right now.
[00:08:15] Speaker C: Perfect.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: Before we get into anything. And I know this is probably gonna spoil a little bit of how we feel about these, but the rounds count, so we need to take that into account. Beam, what's your power ranking? Sandlot through Angels in the Outfield.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: All right, I'm gonna start from the bottom.
I think we're gonna go.
Oof. This is tough. I'm gonna go Little big League. Angels in the Outfield.
Rookie of the Year, Sandlot.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: I got from the bottom. Angels in the outfield. Rookie of the Year, Little Big League, the sandlot.
[00:08:53] Speaker C: Those are like starting with the ones you don't like.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes.
[00:08:56] Speaker C: More.
[00:08:56] Speaker B: Sandlot is at the top.
[00:08:57] Speaker C: The peak.
[00:08:58] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:08:58] Speaker C: Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, for me, I will put Rookie of the Year at the bottom.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:09:04] Speaker C: Sorry to do this. Rook of the Year is in my bottom slot.
Above that, I'm gonna put Little Big League. It is really good. But the reason why I'm doing that is the next movie is all. I remember now that you brought them up to me.
Angels in the Outfield. I remember watching that for the first time, and I was like, this is like peak Cinemato. And I was like, you know, single digits again. I was like, this is amazing. I was like, how is this even possible? And then Sandlot is just.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Sandlot's iconic. It has to be in the top.
[00:09:32] Speaker C: Just go.
[00:09:33] Speaker A: It has to be the.
[00:09:34] Speaker C: I missed one.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Didn't all those. We can't include it in the twin films because it technically does not have children in a major league baseball franchise. But like, still, all these baseball movies all geared towards kids all around the same time. Yeah, it's important. I mean, Angels in the Outfield has its.
Has its moments. I mean, a young Joseph Gordon Levitt, Danny Glover, dude, young Matthew McConaughey is in that movie. Stacked, stacked cast.
[00:10:01] Speaker C: Great cast, dude. Great. And Sandlot was just. Oh, man, I remember that movie.
I saw around the same time I witnessed a big dog for the first time in real life.
So connected, bad. Like one. One of my good friends, they had a. An Akita, which is a Japanese kind of warrior dog back in the.
Her name was Tae sue, which is also a hard name. My name is super good, dude. And she fucking bit me once, dude. And I was like, yo. At the same time, I watched Sandlot, and I was like, okay, just can't go anywhere near these dogs.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: Actually, dog. Now that you say that, I'm reminded. Around this time, the German shepherd that lived behind my house, like, jumped the fence and chased, like, us when we were having a barbecue. My mom was pregnant with my youngest brother. Makes a lot of things make sense about my youngest brother.
She fell down while being chased by a dog. It was intense. It was intense.
[00:10:58] Speaker A: Oh, my word.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was serious.
[00:11:01] Speaker A: Did they put the dog down?
[00:11:02] Speaker B: No, nothing like that.
Nothing actually happened. It just jumped and, like, chased. But then, like, when she fell over, it, like, kept its distance and just barked very viciously. It didn't, like, actually attack.
[00:11:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:15] Speaker B: But, like, it was. It was a scary moment.
[00:11:17] Speaker A: I mean, that sounds terrifying.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:19] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:11:19] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: For real. And you know Brendan.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: Does it make sense? I know Brendan.
[00:11:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:23] Speaker A: Is he. What's his. What are. What's his take on dogs?
[00:11:28] Speaker B: Lukewarm. Yeah.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: All right. Yeah, fair enough.
[00:11:34] Speaker B: All right, so we are now going to get into the rounds here. The first round, as Beam said in the intro, is about the talent.
We're going to go through the writers, the directors, the actors.
I want to start with the scripts and the directors, and I'm kind of going to join these together. The same exact movie. Slightly different setup, but extremely different tonally.
The Big League is like a movie.
[00:11:59] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: And Rookie of the Year is, like, pure slapstick kids comedy.
And before I get into, like, the things involved with that, because I want to talk about the directors, because I think some of that will start to make sense. But what's. What's your take on that? Did you have a preference in turn of, like, tone of the script and the directors?
[00:12:20] Speaker A: Beam, I mean, I feel like.
So for me, personally, I like Rookie of the Year's approach simply just because it's an absurd fucking premise.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: Why not make it an absurd movie? And I think it just totally fits that theme. I'm also, like, it's not a serious movie. I'm not a serious person. So.
No, I just. I, for some reason, like that movie. Like, it's.
I really appreciate what Little Big Leagues trying to do, and I actually very much enjoy it.
But I don't know. Like, it's just the.
Who is the. The lead actor's name?
[00:13:01] Speaker C: What's.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: Luke Edwards?
[00:13:02] Speaker A: Luke Edwards. His performance, to me also is just, like. It was just so monotone and, like, so I couldn't really connect with that word, like Henry. Like his. I forget the actor's name there.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: Thomas Ian Nichols.
[00:13:14] Speaker A: Ian Nichols. He.
He just was like, he exuded charisma,
[00:13:20] Speaker C: kid ass energy and stuff.
[00:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah. So, like, that was more believable. And like the kid stuff that was going on there, it just felt more believable to me as well.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: I completely agree with that. And I will say, like, when I was a kid, it was rookie of the year all day.
[00:13:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:33] Speaker B: Because of that slapstick approach. And like, you do have to give it credit because it's a movie geared towards kids. It's probably honestly why Little Big League didn't do that. Well, because, like, it's a kids movie.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Confusing.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: But it's like, for a kid, they're not going to get that. Like, I don't.
[00:13:48] Speaker A: There's like some heavy topics, like, in meaning. Not even meaning, like emotional topics, which to a certain extent there is if you're a divorced kid.
I mean, a kid of a divorce.
But like, you know, having that. But like, more even just like the terminology in baseball and just the understanding
[00:14:08] Speaker B: of that and the humor is very adult as well. Like, they're making jokes about, like, Skinimax porn and shit.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Naughty Nurses. Or is it Night Nurses? Night Nurses.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: Night Nurses from New Jersey.
[00:14:19] Speaker A: Night Nurses from New Jersey.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: So, like, there's a whole segment of the movie that's about Skinemax porn. And this is a kids movie. It's. It's a little bit confusing tonally about what it's going for. But, like, as an adult, which movie do I want to watch more? It's Little Big League All Day. I think it's just tonally, it fits. But when I was a kid, Rookie of the Year was by far the better movie in my opinion.
[00:14:39] Speaker C: What's the kid's name? Billy.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: Billy Haywood is the manager of the Twins.
[00:14:43] Speaker C: Yeah. He's a genius dude. That's why I like that movie so much, because it just made more sense to me. But, but, but, you know, there's not.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: There's not a magical realism to it. And so, like, it is an absurd premise, but they try their best not to make it absurd. Because he's like a baseball savant.
[00:14:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: And they do a good job of showing, like, he sits down with an actual baseball manager. The baseball manager quizzes.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:15:07] Speaker C: And he gets everything and more and more.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: He brought more thing about it too is also like just the production quality of it where, like, when you just see it has like that shine of like a miracle on 34th street or like.
[00:15:19] Speaker C: That's very true. I think being a shine, your hair is glistening.
[00:15:23] Speaker A: Thank you.
It's. Yeah, it's probably just lighting is so good.
Absolutely. But thank you.
No, but it just had all the markings of like what should be a movie geared towards kids.
[00:15:36] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:15:36] Speaker A: And. And it wasn't so like to me it was. That was off putting.
[00:15:40] Speaker C: Very, very, very factual.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: Yeah, agreed. And so I want to get into these directors for a moment because I think all of that that we're saying is going to make sense. So the director of Rookie of the Year is Daniel Stern. Are we familiar?
Very.
[00:15:56] Speaker C: He's. He does more. He does more comedy stuff. Right. A lot of the time.
[00:15:59] Speaker B: And so he is.
This is his only directing credit of a feature film. He has some TV credits. But he is mostly known as a comedic actor. He is Marv in Home Alone.
[00:16:09] Speaker C: There you go.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: He is in City Slickers.
[00:16:12] Speaker A: He is bushwhacked.
[00:16:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Wow.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: He's famous for all this like slapstick comedy and he is in this movie. He is Brickma, the pitching coach.
So he is acting in this movie that he is also directing.
When you think about that, that starts to make sense.
[00:16:28] Speaker A: A complete fucking dimwit. Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: And just is willing to do it. Leans into the bit and it's. It's awesome. Like he does a great job. The director of Little Big League is a guy named Andrew Scheinman. He is also a first time director. This is his only movie credit. Only directing credit, period.
Andrew Scheinman though has a very prestigious and accomplished career as a producer.
This is his run from 1986 to 1992 or so.
Produced stand By Me.
[00:16:59] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: The Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally, Misery, A Few Good Men.
[00:17:06] Speaker A: Dude, Misery.
[00:17:07] Speaker C: It's a solid run. It's a really good run.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: That's a five. Five movies in a row. And he's just on a heater.
[00:17:13] Speaker C: Bangers.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: And he takes all that capital that he is established and now wants to produce and direct Little Big League.
[00:17:20] Speaker C: What a guy. What a guy.
[00:17:22] Speaker B: Dude never really worked in Hollywood again.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: No, I mean it really. It should have been like when he pitched like to the Family Channel.
[00:17:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: Wait, was that around? I. I don't know. To me that's a thing. Was that to you? A thing?
[00:17:34] Speaker C: The Family Channel, dude.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: Hallmark Channel.
[00:17:38] Speaker A: It became the.
[00:17:39] Speaker B: But there was. There was the Family Channel. It was like between Nickelodeon and Comedy Central on the dials around 36 was Comedy Central. 36 was coming.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: I always thought you were gonna say it's like a hybrid of, like, Nickelodeon versus, like, TGI Fridays from, like, the.
The ABC Days.
[00:17:56] Speaker C: They're shutting down on Fridays around here.
[00:17:58] Speaker A: Oh, dude, I'm talking about the television block of shows geared towards families.
[00:18:03] Speaker B: Boy Meets World was on. Thank you. Fridays.
[00:18:05] Speaker C: Great show.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: Great stuff.
[00:18:06] Speaker C: Oh, my God. The. I just remembered it now.
[00:18:09] Speaker A: There it is. But, yes, you're right. They are all closing separately.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: TGIF Fridays.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: The dream is dying for the phrase T.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: All right, so that's the difference between the movies, tonally, and it's very stark.
Let's also talk about the actors. So we have to talk about these kid actors. Beam, you said it. And I think you hit the nail on the head.
Luke Edwards, who is playing Billy Heywood Stale, does not have much of a movie career after this.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: It shows.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Thomas Ian Nicholas is playing Henry Rowan Gardner in Rookie of the Year.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Does he ever have, like, a drug problem? He seems like a kid that's going
[00:18:50] Speaker C: to go, Tommy, Ian Nicholas.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: Thomas Ian Nicholas.
[00:18:53] Speaker C: There's, like, three guys in one.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: Do you recognize him from anything?
[00:18:57] Speaker C: No. Beam. Which one? Ian or Chris?
[00:18:59] Speaker A: He just has a familiar face. I just can't remember what.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: So he grew up to be Kevin Myers in the American Pie movies, Right? That's the same guy.
[00:19:08] Speaker A: Okay, so he was pretty horny in this movie.
So I think that.
[00:19:13] Speaker C: Trash. Yes, he was.
Yo.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: He was trying to get it with Julia the Cat Gaffney.
[00:19:19] Speaker A: That's crazy.
[00:19:20] Speaker B: That's.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Are we talking about that in terms of, like, tone right now? Now, like, it had a weird fetish thing going on in that movie where.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: Say more.
[00:19:29] Speaker A: Just like, the kids.
Well, first off, the lunch table, bro.
[00:19:33] Speaker C: When that. When the. What's this, George? Yeah, she's stacked. And he goes, that's all about milk.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: That milk has done her body good. Like that just. I was like, oh, every. And listen, if I'm watching it as a kid, like. Yeah, actually, no, no. Even then when I watch him, like, what the does that mean?
And now that I'm watching it as adult, I'm like, why is he saying that?
[00:19:54] Speaker B: I don't think I talked like that when I was 12 years old.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: I don't remember ever saying.
[00:19:57] Speaker C: I think I wanted to.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: I wanted to.
[00:19:59] Speaker C: I definitely didn't, though.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: Like, this is definitely adults writing for kids.
[00:20:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Henry's mom doing the. Hey, Clark. Like that part where she, like, you first see the kids meeting, you know, Henry's mom.
[00:20:11] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:20:12] Speaker B: The entire boat ride where they're cheering.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:14] Speaker B: Multiple times.
[00:20:15] Speaker A: Well, no, there was that, but I was just saying then, Clark like, asks like, hey, how's your mom doing? And then, like, Henry's like, good. It's like they. Then it almost felt like someone was writing the script, showed it to someone, like, dude, what are you doing with this plot line? Please tell me this doesn't go any further and just drops it because Clark never brings up Henry's mom again. It was just like that. That whole thing just was, like, weird.
[00:20:38] Speaker C: Speaking of moms in that movie, one of my most disturbing moments of watching that film as I revisited them was when I think it's during the last game of the series that they're playing.
And she says, yes a bunch. But, like, very sexually.
She was like, yes, yes. I'm like, yo, like, relax, bro.
Chill out.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: It was weird. These movies were very horny.
They were just very off. Like, it was weird.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: All right, so we gotta talk about these moms.
[00:21:16] Speaker C: MILF segment.
[00:21:17] Speaker B: This is the next section.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: Mom was hotter.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: Or this is whatever direction.
[00:21:23] Speaker C: That's a tough one, dude. They're both pretty good looking.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: All I have is Amy Morton as Mary Rowan Gardner and Ashley Crowe as Jenny Haywood. Whatever, bro. Direction you want.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: I.
Geez.
[00:21:36] Speaker B: Who was the better mom? Let's start there.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: What was. You said was Jenny Rowan.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: Amy Morton is Mary Rowan Gartner. Ashley Crowe is Jenny Haywood.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Mary Rongartner. She was. Well, okay.
I think I. Actually, Jenny was the other one. Yeah, I got to give it to Jenny as the better mom.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: Here.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: Here's the reason why.
Mary was leaving him alone a lot.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: A lot.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: For a lot.
Like, letting this kid go to baseball games alone.
And then all of a sudden, he gets signed by the Cubs and she wants to go into the stadium with them. And I'm like, whoa, you all of a sudden want to be present?
Like, I don't understand this. Like, all of a sudden you want to be involved and be everywhere. Before leaving this kid alone all over the place now concerned about his whereabouts. It just didn't make sense to me. Jenny the entire time was pretty.
You know, she was pretty consistent as
[00:22:31] Speaker C: a mom until Luke came around.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: And
[00:22:35] Speaker A: listen, Luke deserved that.
[00:22:38] Speaker C: He did.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: I thought he. I thought he was respectful.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: He was.
[00:22:41] Speaker C: He was a good guy.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: Not to say that the rocket wasn't that, but I thought he was still good.
[00:22:48] Speaker B: I thought he was pretty cool. We're gonna get that. That is a specific round in this match.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: Oh, I'm sorry.
In terms of the moms, I gotta give it to Jenny. I feel like she was. At least. She felt like a more responsible mom. At least if we were looking at it from the lens of like, 20, 25.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: That's tough though, because, like, we grew up in the 90s. My parents left me alone all the time.
[00:23:10] Speaker C: That's true.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: I was just allowed to go. Like, I was bike around the neighbor. I'm fine.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: I know. I'm just saying, like, find the hypocrisy from Mary. Like, all of a sudden you give
[00:23:19] Speaker B: a shit because he has a professional baseball career. He's not a shitty little leaguer anybody,
[00:23:24] Speaker C: but, like, straight dude.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: You can go. No doubt.
You can go into the stadium alone when it's packed full of fans, but when it's empty and only the baseball players. Uh, I need to get in there.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: Baseball players. They're a grimy bunch, dog.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: Were they, though?
[00:23:40] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:23:40] Speaker A: I didn't think they were that bad.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: Not important. All right, so let's go to the teams.
This is the final cast matchup.
[00:23:47] Speaker C: Beautiful.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: Kind of. I have a special bonus category.
[00:23:50] Speaker C: Awesome.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: The Chicago Cubs. We have Albert hall playing Sal Martinella. We have Daniel Stern as Brickma. The pitching coach, Gary Busey as Chet Steadman.
Jet on the Minnesota Twins in Little Big League. John Ash.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: We're not gonna mention the janitor.
[00:24:05] Speaker C: Dude. Yeah, bro.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: From Scrubs On.
And rookie of the Year. I forget his name.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: I'm unfamiliar.
[00:24:11] Speaker C: No, actually, talk to me.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: Hold on. I think he's the one that.
Hold on.
[00:24:17] Speaker C: That's a little. You talk about the. The light skinned brother with the freckles on his face?
[00:24:20] Speaker A: No.
[00:24:20] Speaker C: Okay. Cuz that was.
[00:24:21] Speaker B: That's a little big. He's the security guard.
[00:24:23] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: Plays an important role into trick play later.
[00:24:26] Speaker C: True.
[00:24:27] Speaker A: Very true. Neil Richard Flynn.
He was a janitor from. From Scrubs. He. I thought he did a great job in this. I don't know what his name in the movie is, but I love him
[00:24:38] Speaker C: because he was first baseman.
[00:24:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: He was at least involved in the hidden ball trick.
[00:24:44] Speaker C: Yes. Good callback.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: His name is Stan.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: Stan.
[00:24:48] Speaker C: Even better callback.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: Fucking wild that you remember that.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Stan Okie. Stan Okie is his name in the movie. Nailed it.
[00:24:54] Speaker C: Whoa.
[00:24:55] Speaker A: I don't understand why you remember these things.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: I. I don't understand why I know that. And I can't find my keys ever. I wish I understood.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: My brain issues with phone chargers are legendary.
[00:25:05] Speaker C: I lose too.
[00:25:06] Speaker A: But, like, for some reason.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah, Stan Oki.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: Yeah, Stan Okie. Right there.
[00:25:10] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:25:11] Speaker A: Anyways, did a great job in this. I hope we don't start any of that, because the journey there Was amazing.
[00:25:17] Speaker C: So good.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: We got there eventually.
[00:25:18] Speaker C: It was great.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: On the Minnesota Twins, John Ashton as Mac McNally.
Timothy Busfield is Lou Collins. Jonathan Silverman as Jim Bowers. I need to talk about John Ashton and Jonathan Silverman real quick. John Ashton, the pitching coach slash Billy Heywood's assistant. Do we recognize him from stuff?
He is Sergeant Taggart from the Beverly Hills Cop movies.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: Right?
[00:25:40] Speaker B: He's a fucking legend.
[00:25:41] Speaker C: God, dude. Yeah.
[00:25:42] Speaker B: I love John Ashton so much.
Jonathan Silverman. Jim Bowers, the goofy relief pitcher. Do we recognize him?
[00:25:49] Speaker C: He's so funny in that movie, though. He's perfect in that film. I don't recognize him though, for anyone beam anything. He looks like John Stamos, though.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: Jonathan Silverman, Jim Bowers.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: Same name, Jim Bowers. Jesus. Which one?
[00:26:01] Speaker C: The funniest dude.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: He is fucking phenomenal.
[00:26:04] Speaker B: He is phenomenal. Do you recognize what the actors from.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: No, actually, I don't know what. He's.
[00:26:09] Speaker B: Weekend at Bernie's.
He was one of the two guys in Weekend at Bernie's. Like, he is a. He's awesome. And he is so funny in this movie.
[00:26:17] Speaker A: I think Jonathan Silverman with, like, he has one liners upon one liners in this movie. He's so excellent.
[00:26:22] Speaker C: He's really good.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: All right. And then the last thing. And this is kind of the bonus category.
And because you have a baseball movie, you need professional baseball players making cameos.
In Little Big League, you get Chris berman, Ken Griffey Jr. Randy Johnson and a whole slew of others. Paul O' Neill's there.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: That's where the budget went.
[00:26:42] Speaker C: Everyone.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: Yeah, Go Yankees. It's excellent. And I love that the cameos actually play a role. Like Ken Griffey Jr. And Randy Johnson play an important role in the movie. In the finale, which we'll talk about more later. In Rookie of the Year, you have three cameos. It's kind of during the montage sequence, Barry Bond shows up. That's a good cameo to have before the Roy's. He is on the Pittsburgh Pirates at this point. This is for the Giants. He was good. He wasn't as good as a steroid.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: He's in a goddamn movie then.
[00:27:17] Speaker B: The other two cameos are very confusing to me. Pedro Guerrero is one of them. He plays for the Cardinals at this point in his career. He's like one year away from retirement. He's in year 16. He was a big deal in the 80s. Why? He couldn't get anyone better than that. And the second. The other one is Bobby Bonilla.
[00:27:32] Speaker C: Oh, my God.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: He is on The Mets.
They play the Mets, like, twice in this movie in big important scenes. Where is Bobby Mania?
[00:27:43] Speaker A: Yeah, but the guy that he has to go against, Hato.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's excellent. But, like, where's Bobby Bonilla?
[00:27:48] Speaker C: Would have been way better.
[00:27:49] Speaker B: It would have been way better.
[00:27:50] Speaker C: That dude was on Roy. The other guy.
[00:27:51] Speaker B: The other guy was on Roy's. And he's like an actor, but, like, Bobby Bonilla. Have him show up.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: I almost kind of appreciate. They didn't have a cameo. Cameo.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: But they did have a cameo, and he's in a Mets jersey. It just doesn't make any sense.
[00:28:02] Speaker C: He's not playing well, sure.
[00:28:03] Speaker B: But, like, yeah, he's injured at that point.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: But what I'm saying is put him in a moment, takes it away. At that point, we're focused on the drama between Henry losing stories, you know, and hate him.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, fine.
I have a knit to pick with it. You're not there with me. That's fine.
[00:28:18] Speaker C: Send them an angry email real quick.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: I. For some reason, any of the pitfalls or any sort of the failings of the rookie of the year don't bother me.
[00:28:26] Speaker C: I don't know.
As you explained earlier, that's why you like it.
[00:28:30] Speaker B: I have some nits to pick later. All right. Some nits to pick. Nits to pick.
[00:28:33] Speaker C: What's a knit?
[00:28:34] Speaker B: Like a little thing on your shirt, you know that, like, there. And you got to pick it off.
[00:28:38] Speaker C: Or don't they say to, like, use scissors for that instead?
[00:28:41] Speaker B: Yeah, but I don't.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: But.
[00:28:43] Speaker B: Or it's also.
[00:28:44] Speaker A: I think you could use a razor, actually.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: Whoa. Monkeys pick nits out of each other's hair. Yeah, like, that's. That's.
[00:28:50] Speaker C: I've been called that a lot.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: You can say that.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: We can.
White people over here will stay silent around this joke.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: All right.
[00:29:04] Speaker C: You laugh. It's good.
[00:29:04] Speaker B: So taking into account.
[00:29:06] Speaker A: It's because I'm nervous.
[00:29:08] Speaker C: No, I waited till you took a hit. I was like, all right, good.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: So taking into account all this, the directors, the scripts, the cast, what are you scoring this round? Which movie do you prefer? Beam. We'll start with you.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: It's tough because when you, like, look at the baseball team, too, on Little Big League, like, I prefer that baseball team. Yeah. I love all the characters on that as much as one of the ones on Rookie of the Year, like, that's cool. But, like, he's got Jim Busfield, like,
[00:29:33] Speaker B: Timothy Bus or Timothy Busfield.
[00:29:35] Speaker A: Sorry.
Awesome.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: Mike McGreevey, Blackout. Like, all the characters on the baseball
[00:29:40] Speaker A: Team Blackout is like, serious blackouts.
[00:29:42] Speaker C: Funny as hell.
[00:29:43] Speaker B: Blackout's funny as hell. And when he raps. When he raps, the. The huge wad of tobacco and bubble gum.
[00:29:48] Speaker C: Yeah, dude.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: Great character.
[00:29:50] Speaker A: And. What is it? Luke from Gilmore Girls?
[00:29:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he's in there too.
[00:29:55] Speaker A: Does a great job. Has a great character arc.
Yeah. But I would have to say I'd give 10, nine to rookie of the Year just because, in terms of just, like, their overall execution with it, I liked it a little bit better.
[00:30:07] Speaker B: Nate, where are you at with us, dude?
[00:30:10] Speaker C: Bro, you're my guy.
[00:30:12] Speaker B: Always.
10, 8.
[00:30:15] Speaker C: Little Big League.
[00:30:16] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:30:16] Speaker B: 10, 8.
[00:30:17] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:30:18] Speaker B: Reasoning. Why is it so much better?
[00:30:20] Speaker A: Because, you know, here's.
[00:30:23] Speaker C: Here's. Here's why. Yeah, right.
Like we talked about throughout this pod and even before this, when you guys were younger, for me, I've. I kind of saw them both at the same time. So I didn't get to, like, grow as fondly over time. I just had, like, an immediate opinion about them.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: It wasn't much of a growing. I watched him and left them.
[00:30:48] Speaker C: Perfect.
[00:30:48] Speaker B: Perfect.
[00:30:49] Speaker C: But for me, Little Big League all around. To me, like, I love movies. I love all sorts of media, so there's things that I believe. I told myself that I, like, know when I watch a good movie.
To me, Little Big League checked off a lot of those boxes for me in terms of being better cinema.
But.
But Rookie of the Year, you know, like we spoke about, also was specifically geared for a certain sector of sports comedy aimed for children that at the time was way more digestible.
[00:31:27] Speaker A: Yeah, the simple ones.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Exactly. So it did its job then.
But as a movie, I have to give it to Little Big League and almost a technical landslide only because of how much I appreciate cinematography in movies.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: All right, that's fair. But I mean, wild. It's. It's. It's 10, nine to little big League. For me. Like, it is better, but it's not a. It's not. It's not a huge margin. Like, Thomas Ian Nicholas is so much better than Luke Edwards as, like, the lead character.
The team is better on Little Big League. I actually prefer Daniel Stern's direction. Like, he did some more interesting things than Andrew Scheinman.
Directorially, like, it was very stale in Little Big League. It was a better story. The script was much better, the technical aspects of baseball. So, like, to me, it can't be a 10, 8. It's got to be 10, 9. But I do prefer a Little Big League. It's just.
It's slight to me. So we're in agreement, but also very. You're being. You're bearing hard on Rookie of the Year right now.
[00:32:25] Speaker C: It's not that. It's not that bad. I just. Yeah, like I said, I judge things a little differently. But the funniest part of both of these movies to me was in Rookie of the Year when Henry.
They're building the boat with his two homies. And one shout out Lowell for being the absolute boy, you know, the stand in who always got bullied. But when Henry comes back and his homie George, the chubbier one, is like, what do you think? We're just gonna, like, come together and build this boat? And then you see you hear the other homie in the background. Okay. It's like, yeah, dude.
[00:32:58] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah.
I mean, I have to say. Yeah. Well, Lowell getting sat on between two pillars.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: Save it. This is a round. We got it. We got to wait for it. Yeah, this is the whole round.
[00:33:12] Speaker C: Cool.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: All right, so I guess I should
[00:33:14] Speaker A: have read that one.
[00:33:14] Speaker B: Round two, this is where we get into specific plot points. And this plot point is going to be something we mentioned earlier.
The child's friend and mentor on the team becomes a love interest for the child's single mother.
[00:33:30] Speaker C: Single.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: This is handled very differently. And so it does come down to a matter of preference. I do have an important piece of context that I'll share after you guys give your opinions. Henry encourages Chet Stedman and his mom to get together. He plays sexy music in the back of a limo. He makes them mocktails. He is all about this arrangement between Chet the Rocket Stedman and his mother.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it was kind of like he wanted to watch them.
[00:33:55] Speaker C: I was gonna say, does he know that's coming next or does he not know?
[00:33:58] Speaker B: He's 12 years old. He does not.
Take it easy.
[00:34:00] Speaker C: Well, I do.
[00:34:02] Speaker A: I don't know.
Billy.
[00:34:05] Speaker B: In Little Big League, Lou Collins starts dating Jenny Haywood.
Billy goes on some petty bullshit and benches Lou because he's really mad about having to cut this other guy. But he takes it out on Lou for dating his mom. Really inappropriate.
And sends the team on a losing streak, which ultimately costs them because we will get to that at the end, but that ultimately cost them the season.
So this plot point, I want to get your takes on it, and then I'm going to share an important piece of context because I have a theory. Being you first.
[00:34:38] Speaker A: Theory?
[00:34:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Of a dead man.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: I don't know that just like theory. Just like about what?
[00:34:44] Speaker B: About why they handled it. It feels. It feels deliberate.
[00:34:48] Speaker C: Dude, it was a Good moment. It was a solid moment. The way he just threw that in there.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: I know.
[00:34:53] Speaker C: Should leave it alone.
[00:34:53] Speaker B: I should have just leave it alone and talk about the.
[00:34:55] Speaker A: No, you're right. I'm sorry I messed that up.
You were so cool for a second.
It sounded really good. You ruined it.
[00:35:04] Speaker B: That happens a lot.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: So I.
In the way they handled it, it just felt more realistic in Little Biggly.
I don't know why. Except for, like, you know.
You know, Luke's character was, like, a little too interested in the beginning, like, right off the bat, like. Like, mom, you look great.
[00:35:28] Speaker B: You're about to go on this date. Have fun, you guys.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: I meant more like in the beginning of the movie before I think he's even managed.
[00:35:36] Speaker C: How's your mom?
[00:35:37] Speaker A: Yeah, he was just, like. Asked him, like, one question about how his life is. He goes, how's your mom? And just, like, immediately.
[00:35:44] Speaker C: So I said hi.
[00:35:45] Speaker A: Apropos of nothing.
[00:35:45] Speaker B: Lou was thirsty.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: Yeah, he was. He was into it.
Which is. Which I guess is fine. The chat thing, too, it's just like, you know, it was just a way to get rid of Jack, which is fair. Like, we want to get rid of Jack. Fuck Jack.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: Chad is much better.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: Way better.
But, like, that one just felt like, you know, that felt more forced. So I don't know. I kind of like the way that they were able to kind of handle the little big. Big league one.
[00:36:11] Speaker B: Okay, Nate, how do you feel about this?
[00:36:13] Speaker C: I actually am in pretty much sound agreement with Andrew. Okay.
I just can't get past those sexual noises that Henry's mom was making in that one scene to where, like, it's just like, Chet was the homie. And I like how he took on that father figure role in the latter half.
[00:36:34] Speaker A: The dad, he wasn't the stepdad. He was the one that stepped up.
[00:36:37] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.
[00:36:39] Speaker B: Nailed it.
[00:36:39] Speaker C: Right up to the plate, you know?
[00:36:41] Speaker B: But baseball puns.
[00:36:45] Speaker C: And I got a bat with.
[00:36:46] Speaker A: Right. Okay. I'm sorry.
[00:36:47] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:36:49] Speaker C: I. Yeah, the whole Lou and Billy's mom situation definitely was like. And they were, like, more physically looking in the same age bracket, you know? Like, Chet was, like, old as fuck, dude. And then his mom was, like, still kind of bad. So I was like, you know, it was like, what are you doing, dude? But then, you know, at the end of the day, Lou, Louis, you know, he's MVP for a reason. He puts in the work. Chad's getting a little old, a little rusty, you know.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: Well, he's looking for life after baseball. He sees Henry's Mom.
[00:37:21] Speaker C: Yeah, but Lou sliding into home plate, if you know what I'm saying.
[00:37:24] Speaker B: All right, so this is where my theory comes in. And I think the children's reaction is understandable when you take it through this context. The context is Henry's dad left him and his mother when she was pregnant with him.
[00:37:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: He's looking actively for a replacement father figure. Billy Haywood's mother is a widow. Billy's dad died.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So his reaction and then his grandpa.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: Bit more understandable.
[00:37:51] Speaker C: And they don't even touch upon that really. But it's subtle.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: In that movie they talk about that fact that she's a widow and that Billy's dad died.
[00:37:58] Speaker A: Too sad for such a non serious movie.
[00:38:01] Speaker B: But it is a serious movie. It takes itself seriously. Yeah, I know. That was a joke. I'm ruining your moment now.
[00:38:06] Speaker C: Damn it. Oh my God.
[00:38:07] Speaker A: Even.
[00:38:09] Speaker C: Speaking of even Steven.
[00:38:10] Speaker B: Yeah. So I have to give this to rookie of the year. I hear you and I'm in agreement.
But Billy Heywood's on some petty bullshit and ruins the Minnesota Twins season. And I don't forgive him for that. True.
[00:38:25] Speaker A: I mean, doesn't it seem like a realistic.
[00:38:27] Speaker B: It is a realistic reaction. Absolutely.
[00:38:29] Speaker A: Oh, you're just upset.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: I'm just upset that he ruined the Minnesota Twins movie. Like he's a baseball savant, completely rational, but like he just ruins the baseball because. Yeah, I know. And that's part of it. It's. It's all. It all makes sense.
But I'm mad. That's mad about him.
[00:38:45] Speaker C: One of the reasons why I liked. We were talking. I was talking about like, why I liked it better. That was another reason why I also really like Little Big League is because there's a lot of moments that were only hinted at subtly that I think that they did very well and they all make sense.
[00:38:59] Speaker B: Like, it does all make sense. What you're saying is like he's a child, so he does not handle this situation well. He even says it later. He's like, mom, I don't think I'm doing a very good job with this. And like, it's true. He's 12 years old. He's not going to be equipped to handle this adult stuff.
But I'm mad about it. And so I'm on my petty 10, 9. Rookie of the year.
[00:39:22] Speaker A: So we have a Henry sitting over here.
[00:39:25] Speaker C: Fine.
[00:39:26] Speaker A: Totally fine.
Oh, wait, no, that's actually Billy.
[00:39:30] Speaker B: Billy's a petty one.
[00:39:31] Speaker C: Billy's just a.
It's a great name.
But I like how Hank is a good nickname. For Henry.
[00:39:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: I gotta go 10 9. Rookie of the year.
[00:39:41] Speaker B: Yeah, Rookie of the year. I thought you were big league.
[00:39:44] Speaker A: My bad.
[00:39:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I will do also 109 for Little Big League. But overall I do think Chet is coming around to being a better father figure. Lou was just chill the whole time. Chet kind of like brought.
[00:39:58] Speaker B: It's a better journey.
[00:39:59] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: I agree that. Okay, so ten nines and all around. I'm a little big or I'm rookie of the year. You guys are a little big.
We are going to go to round three. Now in rookie of the Year, this is where Brickma goes on a heater.
He is talking about hot ice. He is talking about conserving his food. And then in my all time favorite scene, he locks himself in between the two hotel rooms and he goes. Little help.
Little help.
[00:40:29] Speaker C: Now don't forget what happens before that though with the hotel worker.
[00:40:33] Speaker A: Like.
[00:40:33] Speaker C: Yeah, same kind of like.
[00:40:35] Speaker A: Yeah, they have the same energy.
[00:40:37] Speaker B: The same energy matching each other. Yeah. I mean so that is the hijinks and rookie of the year in Little Big League. There's a lot of hijinks. There is the water balloon scene, which I love.
There is the skin of Max porn night nurses from New Jersey.
This is where they start the whole riddle thing that then continues throughout the movie. A cowboy rides into town on Friday. He leaves two days later on Friday. How does he do it? That riddle continues throughout the movie. And that feels to me like a very authentic baseball thing when you're on the road with your team. Like this kind of bonding and moments that feels very authentic. Although I do love Brickmaker and it's. It's all about Brickma in the road trip.
[00:41:20] Speaker C: He is with you.
[00:41:21] Speaker B: He is on a heater beam. Where are you at with this road trip hijinks?
[00:41:25] Speaker A: No, I completely agree with you because you just think to back when you were. I mean even just like. Yes. I mean for if you think about professional team. But if you were on a team and you were doing travel tournaments and
[00:41:37] Speaker B: stuff like that, this is the same exact shit you'd get watching porn together.
Weird.
[00:41:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:45] Speaker B: But has happened.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: All the parents know exactly what's going on there. Do nothing about it.
Hi mom and dad.
And knowing like. And yeah. So like having that the water just like doing shit out the fucking. The reasons why we can't open up hotel windows anymore.
They tell you it's suicide, but it's out the window.
But yeah, no, all those things just like track in terms of like, you know, traveling around with the team. Of people. Of boys.
[00:42:17] Speaker B: Yes.
Where are you at, Nate?
[00:42:22] Speaker C: Well, both movies have like super, super good supporting cast, but again, Little Big League supporting cast of all the team mates together to me also was a huge selling point on why I appreciated it a little bit more that aspect
[00:42:41] Speaker B: because that road trip really is just about Brickma and he's incredible.
[00:42:45] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: But you get a lot of different things.
[00:42:47] Speaker A: Like, it adds to like the storyline of like the team developing. And like in like Rookie of the Year, you don't get any sense of that.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: You don't anything with the teammates. It's just now Shut Steadman and the
[00:42:59] Speaker A: kid, they're fucking characters. Like all of them are. But yout just. It comes across more like in. As like an actual storyline. Comes across more in little. Little Big League where you do watch a team that is literally down in the dumps where it never seems like any of them in Rookie of the Year are like, man, I'm really down on our luck right now. But it Little Big League, you feel it and then you feel them kind of like that lightness.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: Kind of like the lightness during that. And then, you know, Billy Haywood benches Lou and the vibes become bad again and then they all rectify
[00:43:37] Speaker C: that hit.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: Exactly. So, like you feel all the ebbs and flows of 162 baseball game season. Like, they actually do establish that quite well. So really good.
[00:43:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:43:47] Speaker B: I got to go 109 because Brickman is on a heater. I can't give it 10 8, which is what I would, but it's. It's 109 to Little Big League in this round for me. Nate, where are you at?
[00:43:57] Speaker C: Well, you already said my score before. Your actual score. That's 108 little big league. Only reason why is, you know, Brigma is it was. It's funny, but I guess as I got older I was like kind of annoying to me.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: It becomes a lot. Yeah, it does.
[00:44:12] Speaker C: But I love the character itself.
[00:44:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And I have the nostalgia. Like, Brickma was a legend when I was a kid, so I can't. But it is kind of annoying.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: Dude. Hot ice is just like hot ice.
[00:44:22] Speaker B: You heat up the ice cubes.
[00:44:24] Speaker C: It's the best both worlds.
[00:44:26] Speaker A: Like, dude, even as a kid you're like, right. And when you're older, you're like, what the fuck?
[00:44:31] Speaker B: What the fuck are you talking about?
[00:44:33] Speaker A: And it's so absurd that I love it.
[00:44:35] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:44:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And then getting stuck between the doors like one I'm just thinking about if that happened to me and it could.
Is like how do you react? And just like, like little up. Like, just the way he's talking throughout the movie and doing that. Getting. Getting trapped in the batting cage too. Like, I know that's outside of, like,
[00:44:53] Speaker B: it's outside of this round, but this
[00:44:55] Speaker A: round, but it's like, it's got that sort of thing and just. It keeps carrying through that. So that's why I'm gonna go 10 now.
Oh, little Big League. I know, I know. I'm. I'm more so trying to argue why Brickma's, like, role in that and like that team trip, like, is so solid and it just stuck to character where you just kept adding and layering on more one liners and. And you got a lot during that. But I really love how you saw the arc of the team.
[00:45:24] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: And the camaraderie that was building or being re. Established, I guess you would say, in Little Big league.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Agreed.
[00:45:32] Speaker A: So 10, nine. Little big league. All right.
[00:45:34] Speaker C: So you guys remember. Sorry to cut you off, but before I forget, another Brickma moment that I thought was really funny. I will say I'll give it to them for this. It wasn't actually from him. It was from Henry's mom. When they're going on the trip, she goes, do whatever coach Brigma says, honey. And I'm like, that's a terrible mom advice.
[00:45:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:56] Speaker A: Like, what are you thinking?
[00:45:58] Speaker C: So bad. But.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: All right, so before we go to round four, we need to take a quick break. This quick break is for a important dramatic reading.
This dramatic reading comes from Andrew Beam. He is going to talk about the other coach in Rookie of the Year, Sal Martinella, played by Albert Hall. This is a dramatic reading of every nickname that Sal calls Henry, Roe, and Garden.
[00:46:23] Speaker A: All right, so here's the thing, is that we did not discuss this until about 10 minutes before we were going to do this.
So I don't know if I got them all, and I also don't know if I got them correct.
[00:46:36] Speaker B: How many do you have?
[00:46:37] Speaker A: I have 1, 2, 3, 4. I think 5.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: There are 7. I will add in the other.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: There are 7. Yes. Dude.
[00:46:46] Speaker C: Pretty close, dude. I got pretty close.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: It's a dramatic reading. You got to perform.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: I know, I know. I'm trying to think of.
Trying to think how he says this one. Ravenhoozer. That's what I hear in there.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:46:58] Speaker A: And I rewinded it. I did everything. What is that?
Rosenberger?
[00:47:04] Speaker C: Like that one?
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Garden Hoser.
[00:47:07] Speaker B: That's the best one.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: That's.
[00:47:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the one.
[00:47:09] Speaker A: Run amucker.
[00:47:11] Speaker C: That was going to Rolling Grader, and
[00:47:15] Speaker A: I don't know what the other two would be.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: All right, hold on.
[00:47:20] Speaker C: And we'll be right back.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:23] Speaker B: All right. Except for once Martinella gets Henry's last name wrong. This is from IMDb trivia. He calls him the following. Ruling Furter, Garden Hoser, Ravi, Boozer Rosen, Bagger, Run Amucker, Rowan Gardner. Ruling Gruder, Rosenberger.
[00:47:40] Speaker C: Speaking of ruling, that one lady.
[00:47:42] Speaker B: Ruling Gruder, Ruling Gruder.
[00:47:44] Speaker A: Ruling Grooter. I got Ruling Furter and Ruling Brooder. Right?
[00:47:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And you got Garden Hoser, and you got. I got Bagger. Yeah.
[00:47:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Rosenbag. I believe that just sounds German. That's actually. That's what that sounded. Yeah. Was the first one that sounded awful.
Ruling Gruder. That's about all I got for those. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:48:10] Speaker B: You did great.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you.
[00:48:11] Speaker B: All right, round four.
This is where we talk about the kids.
The kids. Success in the big leagues alienates them from their friends. They fight, they make up. And ultimately, the kids ditch their careers in the big leagues to experience childhood again.
In Rookie of the Year, Henry and friends are building a boat together. Henry judges them. They're not pleased. Little big league. Billy's friends find a replacement for Billy Lowell, they bully the shit out of lol, and then they make up. It's really. I don't. I don't know what does it. They just. He shows up fishing. It's just.
[00:48:52] Speaker C: Bros being bros. Bros being bros. Yeah.
[00:48:54] Speaker B: You just forget that shit.
[00:48:55] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: All right, so we were talking about this before.
Where do we land with this. With this whole alienating the friends plot line?
[00:49:06] Speaker A: I know what you got, Nate.
[00:49:10] Speaker C: Well, in terms of the movies, they handle themselves relatively similarly, which is the first time I've ever said that word without fucking it up.
Holding the L, you know, too long. Speaking about holding the L too long, treating your boys like shit is always an L. Always. Always will be, no matter what, all the time.
But when you're a kid, you don't know anything at all. Yeah, but the coolest part about that is that they. At least.
At least Billy in the beginning, was trying a little bit more. He would still kind of be around his homies more than Henry was. But then on the flip side is
[00:49:52] Speaker A: Henry had photo shoots.
[00:49:54] Speaker C: Yeah, he had to do all that shit Jack was making him do or whatever.
[00:49:56] Speaker A: Yeah, it's Jack's fault.
[00:49:59] Speaker C: Jack sucks, dude. I fucking hate that guy.
[00:50:02] Speaker A: Dude.
[00:50:02] Speaker C: Fuck Jack, dude. But nah, man, it's. It's just like I said.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: When.
[00:50:07] Speaker C: When you were chatting, it's just bros being bros. And I. I think that the more wholesome one, like, the rekindling was for me in Rookie of the Year because of how funny Henry's there. Let's. Let me get this out of the way. All those kids. Hilarious. Both movies.
[00:50:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:25] Speaker C: Fucking hilarious.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: The friend groups are great.
[00:50:27] Speaker C: Amazing movies.
[00:50:28] Speaker B: And good ca between them. Like, you kind of believe they're homies.
[00:50:31] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know, man. Just the way that Rook of the Year ends and where Henry comes back and then George is like, so you're coming? And they're like, yeah. They get on the boat. It's just. It's just.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: And I like how they fight it out. They actually call it.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: They're all getting, like, poisoned by gas. Yeah.
[00:50:48] Speaker B: No, it's only the. It's only the kid. They're bullying the. Out of him and the unnamed girlfriend because they're put in the back. George and his little girlfriend, they're put in the back by the smoke motor.
[00:50:57] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:59] Speaker B: Henry never has to sit back there. It's bullshit. I don't like that. I hate all this bullying.
As a kid who was formerly bullied, I don't appreciate it.
[00:51:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: But lol, when he's getting his hat,
[00:51:11] Speaker A: he's getting his headset on me.
[00:51:13] Speaker C: I can't talk right now. I'm sitting on Lowell.
[00:51:15] Speaker A: That is so much. And this kid keeps coming around. He keeps going for it.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Lol. Just wants it.
[00:51:22] Speaker C: He's actually a pretty good guy. When he started letting talk. Dude. Yeah, dude.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: He's really awesome.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: And then they get mad at him, like, for talking, like, ah, dude. It's just. Yo, that.
[00:51:29] Speaker C: That scene was so funny. When he says a word in.
In Billy's room, he just like, slaps.
When we say, you could talk, it's
[00:51:37] Speaker B: like, yo, you're right.
[00:51:39] Speaker C: I don't know. That was, like, real harsh.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: But, like, also, I loved it. I don't know why. It's like.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: It feels authentic.
[00:51:47] Speaker A: It does.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: To the 90s.
[00:51:48] Speaker A: It just kind of felt like the two movies switched places for a moment.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: Moment.
[00:51:54] Speaker A: How is that not?
[00:51:55] Speaker B: And then Rookie of the Year has, like, the serious fight where they come to trust the cup.
[00:52:00] Speaker A: Here's the thing, though. It felt natural in Rookie of the Year as well, though. And for whatever reason, I don't know why felt natural
[00:52:09] Speaker B: all of a sudden switching.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: Because it was also. Because they played it so straight.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:16] Speaker B: Because of the chemistry that they established between the friends.
[00:52:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: I don't know. I think I gotta give this a tie. This is 1010, I would say.
[00:52:22] Speaker C: Oh too.
[00:52:23] Speaker B: This is great. Great stuff by everybody.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: I think you could talk me into a 1010. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: I think them sitting on Lowell's head is one of the funniest moments in the entire movie.
[00:52:31] Speaker C: Really good.
[00:52:32] Speaker A: It really. It's a dominating round.
[00:52:33] Speaker B: And then that montage, man. The montage when they're on the boat and just saying yeah the whole time.
[00:52:40] Speaker C: Block that.
[00:52:41] Speaker B: It's like a two minute montage of them saying yeah. Over and over.
[00:52:44] Speaker A: So much fist bump.
[00:52:45] Speaker B: But the fucking music.
[00:52:46] Speaker C: Not as much as the 2000 and tens, dude.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: The music, I guess.
[00:52:49] Speaker B: Absolutely. Era not quite as much close though.
[00:52:52] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:52:52] Speaker B: And the music that they were playing was so upbeat. I actually get up.
Yeah, it's really good.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: Been like a marimba.
[00:53:01] Speaker B: That's a jam. So yeah. 10 10. I'm going for it. I like it.
[00:53:05] Speaker C: Solid tie.
[00:53:09] Speaker B: I have some nips to pick here because this is about this phrase.
[00:53:12] Speaker A: This is where it is.
[00:53:13] Speaker C: I love this phrase.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: But this is like the ending, right? This is the big game at the end. And what I think it's important to me. Maybe it's not important to you guys, but it's. It's important to me that we take into account the actual baseball being played in this final round.
[00:53:27] Speaker A: Mm.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: It's the big game.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: All right.
[00:53:30] Speaker B: So in rookie of the Year we have it comes down to a one game playoff between the Mets and the Cubs. They're going to play each other one time to go to the playoffs. At least that's what it sounds like to me.
[00:53:44] Speaker C: Interesting. Not how it works in real life.
[00:53:46] Speaker B: Not how well it is how it works in real life.
[00:53:48] Speaker C: One game. They don't play series.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: One game if there's a tie to go into the playoffs.
[00:53:53] Speaker C: Oh, that's where they were.
[00:53:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:54] Speaker C: Okay. Gotcha.
[00:53:55] Speaker B: That's where they were. At least I think. But then John Candy when he's on
[00:53:59] Speaker A: the microphone later playing game they did.
[00:54:01] Speaker B: And then John Candy when he's on the microphone, he's like, one game to go to the World Series. There's that whole bit, right? Yeah, but that would mean they're in the American League divisional series, which is a playoff and that's a five game series. I don't understand what's happening.
I want to understand what's happening. They fucked it up when they wrote
[00:54:19] Speaker A: this show budget to stick to. We can't go.
[00:54:22] Speaker B: You could do a little bit of fucking research. I agree. But just make it a game. Fucking seven.
Or just make the fucking accurate thing for John Candy.
[00:54:31] Speaker C: To say I was confused.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: I am.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: I am confused as well.
[00:54:34] Speaker A: I don't know. We're talking about a thing that was on the fritz that was sparking and it worked after that. I don't understand how that works. Yeah. I don't understand how your soundboard is all of a sudden working after sparking. That feels like that's the end all be all of your soundboard.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: That's my nit to pick. All right. With Rookie of the Year. My nit to pick with Little Big League is that Billy Heywood is presented as this baseball savant and he fucks up the whole season. So he lands the Minnesota Twins in a one game series with the Seattle Mariners to go to the playoffs. That is accurately stated within the movie. It is very clear there's that in these movies in Rookie of the Year they win the big game against the Mets and off screen they go on to win the room World Series. Because we see Henry Rohan Gardner put the World Series ring up to the camera when he's back playing Little League in Little Big League.
Randy Johnson and Ken Griffey Jr. Big Boy of the Twins and say for that you're not getting a happy ending.
[00:55:33] Speaker C: Keeps the series undertone though. Yeah, not so under though.
[00:55:36] Speaker B: Not so under. Very overt.
So yeah, let's, let's, let's get into this and then I have more nets to pick. But I will get there when, when you guys share your opinions because I want to see if you guys noticed it either or if I'm just being hypercritical.
[00:55:50] Speaker C: Love these.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: Bingo.
[00:55:52] Speaker A: Whoa. I know. Now I'm actually like less concerned about what I thought about these games.
[00:55:57] Speaker C: I don't know what you mean.
[00:55:58] Speaker A: More wondering what his upsetting him so much.
[00:56:01] Speaker B: Do you want, do you want me to go?
[00:56:03] Speaker A: I kind of want to hear what it is I care about. Nothing more.
[00:56:05] Speaker B: In Rookie of the Year, right. We have this whole thing. Chad Stedman pitches a great game.
You know he gets the thing where his shoulder goes out and the guitar representing the pain that he's in.
[00:56:19] Speaker C: Should have been.
[00:56:20] Speaker A: I mean how else are we going to know other than him just going ah.
[00:56:22] Speaker B: One knit to pick here is like why did the third baseman run?
He could have just stayed on the base and instead he tries to race Chet Stem into just stay somehow one who's the race? How is he going to fucking throw?
[00:56:34] Speaker A: I don't know.
To like have a moment somehow.
[00:56:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. Okay.
[00:56:37] Speaker A: But yeah, this guy's hurt. I'm going to get this now.
[00:56:41] Speaker B: Henry comes into the Game, he's pitching great. And then you know, going out for the ninth inning, he slips on the baseball again and his arm goes back out. He loses a superpower which like how
[00:56:52] Speaker A: is that not painful given how we got to this point?
[00:56:56] Speaker B: Yeah, his tendons fused too tightly around it like loosened or he tore that shit now and he's so fucking upset like that. That.
[00:57:04] Speaker C: Okay, it's cuz Chet told him about the half.
[00:57:08] Speaker B: Okay, fine. I can, I can stick around with that. Then they watch him throw this lollipop to the plate during his warm up pitches and they keep him in the fucking game.
This is bonkers to me.
[00:57:22] Speaker A: Here's the other thing and I granted,
[00:57:23] Speaker B: we're living in a magical world.
[00:57:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:26] Speaker B: And this is, this is my final point. Right. And I'm so glad you brought it up because. All right. Now Chet is injured.
Henry Rowan Gardner has lost his superpowers and you expect me to believe that they got through the rest of the playoffs and won the fucking World Series. Get the fuck out of here.
Stop it.
Who is the rest of their pitching staff?
[00:57:44] Speaker C: How did he get a ring?
[00:57:46] Speaker A: I spended literally all this disbelief on this.
[00:57:50] Speaker B: I'm so upset by this last thing, man. It's. I don't understand simple movie for a simple person.
[00:57:56] Speaker A: I.
I like dude when he holds up the ring. I. I also like don't care. Like it doesn't mean anything to me.
[00:58:04] Speaker B: It didn't when I was a kid. Now I care very much.
[00:58:06] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:58:06] Speaker B: It's really upsetting.
[00:58:07] Speaker C: The Knicks got a little too tight.
[00:58:09] Speaker A: I more thought about it like as a Cubs fan. How pissed are you? Like this is this cursed you even further like now listen, it was going to end around here. We're going to keep it going because this kid said you won.
No, that's a very good point.
Yeah. What who, who is pitching for you? I don't know who the fuck else was in your bullpen?
[00:58:31] Speaker B: Yeah, we never get any of that throughout the entire movie. And then I'm expected to believe like if a pitcher in Little Big League gets injured, I'm okay. We got Blackout.
[00:58:41] Speaker A: To me this.
It's the end of Chet Bowers for life.
[00:58:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: Like you're done.
[00:58:45] Speaker B: No, Chet's career is done.
[00:58:47] Speaker C: There wasn't even Tommy John can't help.
[00:58:49] Speaker A: And at least. And at least with within Little Big League it wasn't even just Blackout or there were several pictures Bowers who's the one dude that like Wedman.
[00:59:02] Speaker B: He wants him to start webman movie and then he starts him at the end and then Wedman gets lit up
[00:59:07] Speaker C: by Ken Griffey Jr. That's what got me is because they didn't use him at all the whole movie. He steps in, I'm like, who the is this guy? Like on some kind of nervous as,
[00:59:17] Speaker A: like he's not gonna get through this moment.
[00:59:19] Speaker B: But he got through six innings real nice.
[00:59:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:59:21] Speaker B: And then Ken Griffey Jr. Lit him up, which is bound to happen. So which.
[00:59:24] Speaker C: One of my favorite parts of all
[00:59:25] Speaker A: time, though, like why. That was. That was actually the one issue I kind of had with both these movies were like. Actually, no, I think it was more in the big league where like there wasn't an order anymore. It was just like, whoever. You know what, get up there.
[00:59:38] Speaker B: Well, you're cutting to the scenes when Ken Griffey Jr. Is up. But.
[00:59:41] Speaker A: But that's what I'm saying. Ken Griffey Jr. Wasn't doing this.
[00:59:44] Speaker C: That's why they had to skip.
[00:59:45] Speaker B: Well, he spent all the time. He had a couple singles.
He was just. He was just beating him up a little bit. But he hadn't hit the. He hadn't hit the three run homer yet. Three run shot is what did Wenman in.
[00:59:55] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:59:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So listen, I mean, Little Big League. I love the ending.
I think it's so perfect. I like that they didn't end it with a happy note, but then kind of did because Billy gets his moment where he goes out to the stadium, everybody's cheering for him. So you still get the happy kids moment, but like, it plays with your emotions. Like Lou's gonna hit the big homer and then Ken Griffey Jr says fucking no.
[01:00:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:00:19] Speaker B: And that's exactly what Ken Griffey Jr. Did during that time period. So, like, I just love the baseball in this final sequence in Little Big League. Whereas Rookie of the Year. I am legitimately, like upset. And I don't. I shouldn't be because it's kids movie, but I am. And that's where we're at.
[01:00:34] Speaker C: Dude. Lou didn't get the home run, but he got the mom.
[01:00:38] Speaker B: Yeah, he still got to marry her.
[01:00:40] Speaker C: Yeah, he did. True. Yeah, very true. Here's Lou.
Even if you don't get a home run, you're still married. It's a good scene.
[01:00:47] Speaker A: I hated that part, actually. What?
[01:00:50] Speaker C: No, because why does he have any say? He's a child, you know.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: Well, no, it's not that. It's just because of how horrible an actor he is.
[01:00:59] Speaker B: I don't disagree. Can I Finish your thought. I have another theory I want to present.
[01:01:04] Speaker A: Oh, I'm now I'm more interested in your theory.
[01:01:06] Speaker B: So the theory is before the Little Big League, Big game, Right. They're all doing this math problem on the chalkboard in the locker room. Right.
[01:01:15] Speaker A: That was upsetting.
[01:01:16] Speaker B: Why was that upsetting?
[01:01:19] Speaker A: Because none of it made sense to
[01:01:21] Speaker C: me, at least only to Bowers.
[01:01:23] Speaker B: Bowers, excellent. Comes in at a left field. Shocking that he understands algebra, but great.
[01:01:29] Speaker A: It wasn't that shocking. He understood.
[01:01:31] Speaker B: Was that all a sneaky coaching ploy by Billy Heywood to take the pressure off before the game?
[01:01:36] Speaker A: Oh, I think Billy.
[01:01:39] Speaker C: He's smart enough to do something.
[01:01:40] Speaker B: Billy Heywood is a genius manager dog. I think everything is on purpose.
[01:01:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, dude.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: I think that was on purpose.
[01:01:46] Speaker C: That's a good analysis, dude.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: 10, 8, Little Big League.
This final round is. This is where it comes in. I have no redeeming qualities for rookie of the Year. I can't think of any. It's 10, eight, a little big League. They knock this finale out of the park for me. It drags a little bit in the. In the middle of this movie. I think it's probably like 20 minutes too long. But they knock it out of the park with the finale and all the pieces that they were building up throughout. They're all satisfied. It's such a great ending. I love the ending of this movie. It's what seals it for me. 10, 8. Where are you at, Nate?
[01:02:19] Speaker C: I. I was gonna go 10, nine, little big league, but I'm gonna go 10 8. Because when I was thinking about the other moments in both of the games leading up with Henry's, like, little tricks, when his arm got injured, he couldn't pitch. He had to figure out other ways around it. I appreciate that. But with Little Big League, how they were able to kind of subtly the whole movie build up to this moment.
And it starts off very sad. You know, his grandfather passes away.
Super sad moment.
And then you have all this hope in between. The team starts to accept him. It happens in both movies, but with that acceptance, it almost amounts to something even more because of the fact that they lost together. But they saw how far they've come with this kid, and so the city
[01:03:18] Speaker B: appreciates, and they get that moment in the stadium.
[01:03:20] Speaker C: Yeah. So that's why I will probably go back to 10, 8.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:03:25] Speaker C: Big league.
[01:03:27] Speaker A: So
[01:03:29] Speaker B: you wanted to go rookie of the year, but you're thinking about my nits.
[01:03:32] Speaker A: No, I wasn't thinking about your nits at all.
I was more Thinking about.
I wasn't as bothered by what happens in Rookie of the Year. I like how he had to figure out some shit when his power went away.
[01:03:51] Speaker C: True.
[01:03:51] Speaker A: As much as it feels, maybe unrealistic. So is the entire movie. Yeah, agreed.
[01:03:58] Speaker B: We're living in this magical fantasy world and like it's appropriate.
[01:04:02] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no. Rookie of the year is living in a completely different realm of like, you know, fantasy. Like it's, you know. Oh, the tendon fuse. No, just like. No, no, no. That's, that's, that's not how this is gonna work. Also, like, did you go back for that follow up? Because it doesn't seem like we did.
[01:04:21] Speaker C: Oh, wow.
[01:04:21] Speaker A: And I would like to know what the result was there.
But no, I. So I wasn't as bothered by it.
That being said, Little Big League.
Yeah, exactly. The game sequence was like an actual game. They're actually going through how to try and figure out how to win here. There was some Tom foolery, of course, but I actually appreciated the fact that realistically they're not fucking winning in that game.
And Ken Griffey Jr. Does Ken Griffey Jr. Thing and Randy
[01:04:49] Speaker B: Johnson does big unit things.
[01:04:51] Speaker C: Big unit, dude. Holy.
[01:04:53] Speaker A: So no, I, I like the way that it ended and it's just like kid being like, I'm.
I want to go back to being, you know, that whole part of it. No, I, I really enjoyed it. It was like you were actually watching a game. Whereas opposed to rookie the Year, it's like we're stuck. It was like Space Jam. It was like we were in Space Jam.
[01:05:13] Speaker C: It is.
[01:05:13] Speaker B: We're in Cartoon World.
[01:05:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:05:15] Speaker A: So yeah, it's gonna be 10, nine, little big league.
[01:05:19] Speaker C: Solid.
[01:05:19] Speaker B: Okay. All right. So that brings us to the end. We are going to take a quick break while we tabulate the scores. Then we will be back with the announcement of the winner.
[01:05:35] Speaker A: Ladies and gentlemen, after five rounds we go to the judges scorecards for a decision.
The judges scored the contest. 49, 46. 49, 47 and 50. 43 for your winner by unanimous decision and new champion of the movie where kids get involved with the MLB unexpectedly little big league wipe the floor with him.
[01:06:03] Speaker B: 50 and 43. That was Nate, right?
[01:06:05] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:06:08] Speaker B: Unanimous decision was surprising. I thought you were gonna go rookie of the year beam.
[01:06:12] Speaker A: Well, I mean, overall I like the movie, right.
[01:06:15] Speaker B: I like both movies. I want to be clear.
[01:06:17] Speaker A: But if I'm gonna be fair to the criteria, which I'm not always in this one, I think I just forgot to go the Other way.
But it's just, you know, on the. On the merits, like, other than just like Billy Heywood's character like that. Do you. Just taking me out of the movie for most of it.
I can't deny, like, what they were trying to do and they executed it well other than that kid.
So, yeah.
[01:06:43] Speaker B: Otherwise Edwards is stale as hell in that.
[01:06:46] Speaker A: Super, super boring. Glad he's not in Hollywood anymore. Hope he's still alive in a nice connection.
[01:06:52] Speaker B: He was also an American Pie, too. He was credited as high school guy.
[01:06:58] Speaker A: So these two met?
[01:07:00] Speaker B: Yes, after the fact.
[01:07:01] Speaker A: Wait, were they in the same scene?
[01:07:03] Speaker B: I gotta imagine if High school guy. There was probably a party scene of some kind. Maybe where Kevin Myers was probably present. I don't know.
[01:07:10] Speaker A: Fucking extra. How, like, what was he doing there? Was it. Is this a thing where, like, they knew each other and he's like, yo, just like, show up in this movie.
[01:07:17] Speaker B: You want to know another interesting fact? When the Cubs eventually won the World Series, Thomas Ian Nicholas was there wearing his Henry Rowan Gartner jersey.
[01:07:25] Speaker C: That's fire. Yeah, that's tough.
[01:07:27] Speaker A: I like that.
[01:07:28] Speaker B: I like that.
[01:07:29] Speaker A: I appreciate that.
[01:07:29] Speaker B: It's wholesome. All right. Before we get out of here.
[01:07:31] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? My score. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
[01:07:34] Speaker B: We got to thank some people before we get out of here. First of all, Nate, thank you for showing up. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for discussing these movies with us.
What do you got to plug for the people?
[01:07:44] Speaker C: Well, to both of you guys, thank you for having me. I'm glad that we have been able to become such great friends the past year.
[01:07:52] Speaker B: Indeed.
[01:07:52] Speaker C: Yeah, it's been awesome.
Plug for the people. I do not sell drugs.
I never did.
[01:08:00] Speaker A: Oh, mom.
[01:08:01] Speaker C: You're welcome.
[01:08:01] Speaker A: That's not what we meant by plug.
[01:08:03] Speaker C: Well, I have a charger.
[01:08:06] Speaker A: No, we just. Are you. Are you possibly in a band? Are you doing.
[01:08:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Talk about your bed. Talk about what's going on.
[01:08:13] Speaker C: So glad that you asked.
[01:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:08:15] Speaker C: We're actually, by we, I mean me and my bandmates in a band called Not Chinese Takeout. We did play with you guys this past weekend. It was super, super sick. Glad that you guys.
[01:08:25] Speaker A: It is currently April.
[01:08:26] Speaker C: Is it?
[01:08:27] Speaker A: Well, for this.
[01:08:28] Speaker C: Oh, true.
[01:08:29] Speaker A: I mean, when time is.
[01:08:30] Speaker C: Time is a conscience.
[01:08:31] Speaker A: Anyway, going to be April, but yeah.
Yeah, actually missed it.
[01:08:35] Speaker C: Good. I am in a band called Not Chinese Takeout, actually.
[01:08:39] Speaker B: And you guys have a couple of eps out, correct?
[01:08:41] Speaker C: We do. We have two EPs out.
Two songs that are not on those EPs and another one coming out on May 10th. It'll be a single.
I like to keep the. The names along the DL till the. To the day of.
[01:08:56] Speaker A: But when are they gonna be released?
[01:08:58] Speaker C: Where? Everywhere. No, no, when May 10th is.
[01:09:01] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a good chance they're out by this time. Yeah, yeah.
[01:09:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they'll be out. And we can find them on Spotify and everywhere else.
[01:09:08] Speaker C: Everywhere. Everywhere you listen to music.
[01:09:10] Speaker B: And where can we find them on the social medias?
[01:09:12] Speaker C: We are not Chinese takeout NY on Instagram because if you're in a band, you don't have your. Your state of. Of operations at the end of your handle. Apparently that's like a thing that they all do. So we tried to follow suit with
[01:09:28] Speaker A: that, but we didn't do that at all.
[01:09:29] Speaker B: Nope.
[01:09:29] Speaker C: You guys have the legacy behind you. You don't need.
[01:09:32] Speaker A: No, we just started about three years ago.
[01:09:34] Speaker C: No way, dude.
[01:09:35] Speaker A: Yeah, well, doing what we're doing now, but yeah, anyway.
[01:09:38] Speaker C: Cool. Yeah, sick. That's about it. Just, you know, not Chinese takeout anything. But you can place your orders now anywhere. We will get that suited to deliver.
[01:09:48] Speaker A: That's excellent.
[01:09:49] Speaker B: Nailed it.
[01:09:50] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:09:50] Speaker B: All right. So we also have to thank some people. We have to thank the people at the Jive Hive for allowing us to use their studio Beam. Who are the people at the Jive Hive?
[01:09:58] Speaker A: Well, we have. We have Alec helping us with all of the.
[01:10:04] Speaker B: Sound engineer, Alec Lewis of the Alec Lewis Group. Check them out as well.
[01:10:08] Speaker C: Oh, dude, I've seen them before.
[01:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah. And of Eerie.
[01:10:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I've seen them also recently.
[01:10:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:13] Speaker B: And probably in like seven other bands. Because Alec is, you know, he's doing. He's doing the things out there.
[01:10:19] Speaker A: No. You want us to stop talking about you? That's it. Okay.
[01:10:22] Speaker B: We also have Mikey Bash on the video production in this episode. He is in the Sugar Hold. Yeah, he is also Mikey Bash. He's great. We love him. We have Nick Beige, production supervision on this particular episode.
And Tom o', Connor, owner of the Jive Hive. Thank you for allowing us to use your house and your characters hanging around,
[01:10:42] Speaker A: giving us words of encouragement.
[01:10:44] Speaker B: He's in the Nolan ots.
[01:10:45] Speaker A: There is that too.
[01:10:46] Speaker B: Great. Local musicians on this podcast and in this production.
That's about it. Thank you to Metroland. We are part of the Metroland Podcast network. You can find them@the metroland.com you can find them on the social medias at Metroland now on both Instagram and Facebook.
And that's about it. We're out of here. Thanks, y'.
[01:11:06] Speaker A: All. Goodbye.
